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To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (11266)	12/20/2010 1:45:23 PM
From: Greg or e	Respond to of 69300

Since the time of the Reformation, Protestants have looked to Scripture itself and not to Rome's corrupt, man made traditions, to define the Gospel. Thus, the Formal principal of the Reformation is Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone). The Material principal of the Reformation was Sola Gratia (Grace Alone). What that has to do with the question of Sainthood is this: Rome claims that a "Saint" is someone who has in essence "earned" the right to be recognized as special, due (at least in part) to their response to the "infused" Grace of God. Protestants reject the notion that our standing before God can in any way be enhanced by the things that we do and acknowledge that Scripture recognizes that all who are Justified by Grace alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone are Saints. The Greek word translated as Saint is "hagios" It means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." Both Protestants and Rome agreed that Grace is "necessary" for Salvation. Where they disagreed was and is, on the sufficiency of Grace. This dispute has still not been resolved, but essentially Protestants maintain that our Holy standing before God (Justification) is "imputed" to us on the sole basis of the work of Jesus Christ. Good works will be a natural and inevitable result of that sovereign act of God, but it is important to not get the cart before the horse. strongsnumbers.com

To: Jacques Chitte who wrote (11266)	12/20/2010 4:56:13 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

You're defining "having saints" to mean what it means for the RCC. For other churches the meaning of the concept would naturally be different. I don't think Protestants recognize the Catholic concept of sainthood Putting it like that you'd be correct.