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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (331)	12/21/2010 9:57:57 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 515

'Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.' -- H. L. Mencken

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (331)	12/22/2010 9:19:49 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 515

Germany: Holocaust-denying bishop replacing lawyer By MELISSA EDDY 2010-11-26 11:09 PM A British bishop who denied the Holocaust is seeking to replace a lawyer linked to the neo-Nazi movement who he hired to represent him in an appeals trial in a German court, a spokesman for his order said Friday. Bishop Richard Williamson was in the process of selecting another lawyer and would inform the Regensburg court of his decision "as soon as possible," the Rev. Andreas Steiner of the traditionalist order The Society of St. Pius X said. The court convicted Williamson in April of incitement for saying in an interview with Swedish TV, recorded in Germany, that he didn't believe Jews were gassed during World War II. The bishop was fined (EURO)10,000 ($13,000) for his comments. Williamson's appeal was scheduled to open Monday, but court spokesman Johann Piendl confirmed that it had been postponed and that no new date had been set. Piendl said that Wolfram Nahrath still remained formally registered as Williamson's defending attorney. Nahrath has defended neo-Nazis in the past and news that Williamson had hired him triggered outrage. The Society of St. Pius X on Monday ordered the bishop to fire Nahrath, or face expulsion. "Bishop W. is in the process of following the order and finding another lawyer," the society said in a statement. Bishop Bernard Fellay, head of the Society of St. Pius X, has distanced his organization from Williamson since the interview aired on Jan. 21, 2009, and ordered the British bishop to keep quiet. The same day as the interview aired, Pope Benedict XVI lifted Williamson's excommunication, unleashing a torrent of criticism and threatening the Vatican's relations with Jews. Founded in 1969 by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the ultraconservative society opposed the Vatican II's reforms, which revolutionized the church's relations with Jews and allowed for the celebration of Mass in the vernacular rather than in Latin. Williamson, along with Lefebvre and three other bishops, was excommunicated in 1988. taiwannews.com.tw

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (331)	12/22/2010 10:14:47 AM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 515

This part is a bit overwrought. The rich have always payed for the R&D cost of new technology. Happened with phones, happened with cars, happened over and over where only the rich could afford a technology at first but that the cost went down over time. As far back as 2003, a BBC article titled Warning on Gene 'ID Cards' cited Craig Venter as a leading scientist in gene mapping who, at the time, was offering the "very rich" a chance to buy their map for $710,000. This sets up, in effect, a division of gene class where elites would have access to potentially life-saving information, while the underclass could be discriminated against by insurance companies and employers.