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To: Elroy who wrote (401426)1/2/2011 4:34:27 AM
From: LindyBill5 Recommendations  Respond to of 794009
 
First off, the MSM types will only ask PC questions. The Muslim "Leaders" avoid the Fox News shows. I have watched them, when asked tough questions, evade the answer and then accuse the questioner of being prejudiced about Muslims and guilty of "Islamophobia."

We have been over this ground before. But you still come back with the same questions.



To: Elroy who wrote (401426)1/2/2011 4:38:58 AM
From: LindyBill4 Recommendations  Respond to of 794009
 
Google "Honor Killings in America" and see story after story on the subject. It's a subject nobody likes to talk about. Here is one from FORBES last summer.

Beyond Honor Killings - Forbes.com

"Honor killings," someone wrote recently in an online forum, "have arrived in America."

Not really.

In fact, honor killings have been going on in the Muslim communities of America for years. They haven't just newly arrived: We're only starting to know about them--in part because my colleagues in the media are only now summoning the courage to admit it. Over the last two months Marie Claire, which four years ago rejected an article on the subject, ran a major feature about an American Muslim woman at risk; and Fox News rebroadcast the 2008 documentary Murder in the Family: Honor Killings in America. But as the Fox program notes, investigators were already handling honor killing incidents in 1989, and likely even before that. In all cases, the victims were daughters, wives or sisters, killed by fathers (sometimes mothers), husbands or brothers for "dishonoring" the family: by requesting a divorce, by dating before marriage, by refusing to accept an arranged spouse, by having non-Muslim friends.

What no one mentions, however, is the other dirty secret of Muslim families, even in the West: honor violence--the abuse that results not in death, but devastation. Tantamount, at times, to torture, honor violence occurs far more frequently than honor killings, with effects that in some ways could be described as worse.

How bad is it? In 2008 British studies counted nearly 17,000 incidents of honor violence annually, including kidnappings, sexual abuse and murder. Every week, according to an article in the Independent, British organizations rescued three girls from Islamabad--some of them as young as 11--sent there by their parents to be married. These girls often are raped by their much older husbands, who may also use the marriage to immigrate to Europe, continuing the abusive treatment of their brides there as well. Usually, too, the daughters of such couples are kept at home, forbidden to live the lives of Western women, and in turn, married off themselves, probably to a family cousin also in Islamabad--and so the chain continues.

And these are often the luckier ones. Others, including boys, have suffered physical abuses beyond the imagination: Last summer Muslims forced a young (non-Muslim) man in east London to drink sulfuric acid, poured more acid on his back and blinded him with bricks. His crime: being accused of having a relationship with a married Pakistani Muslim woman. Both she and he deny that they are lovers.

It is a vague term, "honor violence." But it is not, as some might argue, equivalent to domestic abuse; and it is crucial to stop equating the two, both for the sake of the victims and in order to better identify--and prosecute--the abusers.

Unlike domestic violence, honor violence revolves around a set of religious codes, aimed at depriving women (and sometimes men) of freedom and at subjugating free will. As one Dutch-Afghan woman put it when a neighbor was murdered by her husband: "She deserved it. She knew the rules."

More importantly, honor violence--and honor killings--carry a seal of approval from the family and community at large: Indeed, often those who beat their daughters or lock them in their rooms, or burn their faces to disfigure them, do so reluctantly, under pressure from the family. And therefore it becomes perhaps the most underreported crime in the West--including the U.S.

But it is being recorded--by organizations such as the Washington, D.C.-based Tahiri Center, and by New York's Sakhi Center, which recently found that over 40% of the South Asian women living around Boston had suffered family violence--a figure far higher than that found in the rest of the region's female population. Often that violence revolves around dowry issues, and takes place within the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities, as well as in Indian Hindu families.

So why does the public at large know so little about it?

Enter the political correctness of the media, of editors who refuse to state the true religious motivations behind such despicable crimes, who treat them like "ordinary" domestic violence cases, or--worse--refuse to cover them at all.

But the truth is: Where there are honor killings, there is violence--and more of it than we know. When reports of honor violence rose from 60 incidents in one tiny region of the Netherlands in 2007 to 85 in 2009, it was not because the number of incidents had increased, but because public and official awareness (and therefore, the ability to identify them) had improved.

The same is true in America. Just as we are fast discovering--thanks to the efforts of Muslim-American terrorists like James Cromitie (who plotted the bombing of New York synagogues), Nadal Malik Hasan (the "Fort Hood shooter"), and Faisal Shahzad (who attempted to set off a bomb in Times Square)--that radical Islam is alive and well in the U.S., we can be certain that the doctrines that preside over radical Muslim families exist here, too. And they will continue to until--as is happening in Europe--my colleagues in the media find the courage, at last, to say so.

Abigail R. Esman is a freelance writer based in New York and the Netherlands. Her most recent book isRadical State: How Jihad Is Winning Over Democracy in the West."

forbes.com



To: Elroy who wrote (401426)1/2/2011 10:37:59 AM
From: Bridge Player5 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794009
 
Do ya really wanna kill apostates, or not? Come on, improve our understanding of Islam, you're on national TV, yes or no?

Elroy, have you stopped beating your wife yet? Come on now, yes or no?



To: Elroy who wrote (401426)1/2/2011 12:40:35 PM
From: Nadine Carroll14 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 794009
 
Elroy, killing apostates is Sharia law. Very few Muslims want to go on record opposing Sharia law. Either they favor it themselves or they are intimidated by those who do, some of whom feel free to declare that disagreement is apostasy and worthy of death.



To: Elroy who wrote (401426)1/2/2011 5:04:47 PM
From: LindyBill1 Recommendation  Respond to of 794009
 
When Muslims attack, the mainstream media highlights reciprocal "tensions" between Christians and Muslims
from Jihad Watch by Marisol

The White House also went out of its way to portray a situation in which the scales were more level where casualties were concerned in the New Year's church bombing in Egypt. And if Sharia is mentioned at all in most media coverage, it is the province of a Tiny Minority of Extremists promoting their "extreme" version of the law.

Below is a story with the title "Violence shows Christian, Muslim split in Nigeria," and another example of such coverage of religious "tensions" (as if they were nothing a national "spa day" couldn't dispel). This report also includes this striking statement about Nigeria's best known jihadist group, Boko Haram:

>>>"The group also remains devoted to the implementation of strict Islamic law rather than a political agenda."<<<

It is hard to make heads or tails of such a statement when the imposition of a legal system is so obviously a political agenda, unless the author has no idea of the scope of Sharia law. He seems to have concluded that Boko Haram's disinterest in Nigeria as a national entity -- "some African lands known as Nigeria," as they call it -- makes the group apolitical. Of course, religion and politics are inextricably linked here, for the fundamental motivation behind jihad in all its forms is the imposition of Sharia as the only law for all affairs, public and private.

In the long run, Nigeria is but an artificial entity that would dissolve under a future caliphate, or Islamic superstate. And if an Islamic state emerged in Nigeria or a portion of it, having only that much land under Sharia would not be "enough," because the existing borders are meaningless to Islamic imperialism.

That sort of thing has been known to cause "tension" with one's non-Muslim neighbors, whether down the street in northern Nigeria, or across state and national borders. "Violence shows Christian, Muslim split in Nigeria," by Jon Gambrell for the Associated Press, January 2 (thanks to R):

>>> LAGOS, Nigeria - Multiple explosions rocked a central Nigerian city, another bomb killed at least four at an army barracks in the capital and a radical Muslim sect burned churches in the northwest.

The new violence over the past two weeks highlights the tensions between Nigeria's two major faiths -- Christians and Muslims -- and threatens peace ahead of the young democracy's April presidential election.

Africa's most populous country, home to 150 million people, has seen tens of thousands die in the violence between Christians and Muslims since it gained independence from Britain in 1960. While members of the two faiths intermarry and live peacefully in much of the country, political, economic and ethnic rivalries often fuel violence between the two faiths.

"There is anecdotal evidence that rival candidates are appealing for support on the basis of shared ethnic and religious identities that is likely to foment tension," recently wrote John Campbell, a former U.S. ambassador to Nigeria who now is a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations

The most recent attack, the bombing Friday of an outdoor beer garden and market at a barracks in the nation's capital of Abuja, could be the work of Muslim extremists, Nigeria's President Goodluck Jonathan said Saturday.

The main militant group in Nigeria's oil-rich southern delta, the Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta, issued a statement Sunday denying its involvement in the bombings. The militant group previously orchestrated an October dual car bombing in the capital that left 12 dead and dozens more injured.

Jonathan on Sunday visited victims of the barracks bombing. In a statement, his office said the president praised first responders for "lessening casualties by speedily evacuating the market after the first explosion before a second blast occurred." It was the first time authorities have said there were two bombs in the area of market stalls and beer parlors referred to locally as a "mammy market."

Jonathan, a Christian who came to power after the May death of Nigeria's Muslim elected leader, said Friday's bomb had similarities to those used in the central Nigerian city of Jos. Three bombs exploded there on Christmas Eve, killing dozens. Authorities say about 80 died, including those killed in post-bombing reprisal violence. That region has seen more than 500 people die in religious and ethnic violence this year alone.

An Internet posting attributed to a radical Muslim sect in the north known locally as Boko Haram claimed responsibility for the bombings. Boko Haram also attacked two churches in the northern city of Maiduguri on Christmas Eve as well, killing at least six people. Police blamed the sect for another church attack Saturday night that left a church destroyed in Maiduguri, though no one was injured.

However, Boko Haram likely has no political aspirations in the nation. Its statements routinely refer to the country as "some African lands known as Nigeria." The group also remains devoted to the implementation of strict Islamic law rather than a political agenda. [...]

Many in the country fear the violence may be politically motivated. President Jonathan faces a primary election in the ruling People's Democratic Party this month against a Muslim northerner. After the death of elected leader Umaru Yar'Adua before the end of his first term, some in the party believe another northerner should lead the nation to satisfy an unwritten power-sharing agreement.

Jonathan's administration, as well as the nation's security agencies, have been unable to stop the attacks. [...]

However, Jonathan's profile had a message on Christmas Eve reading: "While there was tension in some parts of the north last Christmas, this Christmas those tensions have eased."

Only a few hours later, that claim would be proven wrong.

"Since then, the senseless violence has erupted ... and the entire country lies in the grip of a general air of insecurity," an editorial Sunday in Lagos' NEXT newspaper warned. jihadwatch.org