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To: FJB who wrote (50672)1/7/2011 6:24:22 PM
From: Sam2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95541
 
Interesting article, thanks for posting it nice to read some of the stats on MOCVD tools. They may well be overbuilding (see the relevant excerpt from the article below), which is why I was quick (way too quick, clearly) to jettison VECO last year when it was down. But I want to say something about the difference between the LED market on the one hand and the NAND market on the other. They are both high growth, but you see a lot new entrants rushing into the LED market. You don't see new players rushing to get into NAND, even with enormous projected growth. Why not, if it is "just another commodity" like LEDs or DRAM? Because it is extremely expensive to produce, high quality MLC and TLC NAND chips aren't easy to produce, they require sophisticated controllers in order to be effective, many of the effective production processes are protected by patents, and there are currently two vendors who control about 80% of the market (Samsung and Toshiba/Sandisk) who have both very aggressively pushed to cut costs by adopting the most advanced production processes as quickly as they can. Not only has no new vendor made any noises about entering the market for several years now, but it looks like Intel is exiting their partnership with Micron, who will be forced the bear the costs of upgrading their NAND and DRAM fabs alone. I daresay no other new vendor will be entering the NAND sector, and neither Hynix nor Micron--the other two companies that currently produce NAND--will be able to take much if any share from the leaders.

These are some of the reasons why I have been and remain very overweight in Sandisk, the only pure play in NAND.


China introduced a MOCVD stimulus program to boost their LED self sufficiency. This program is expected to result in $1.6B in spending on MOCVD tools from 2010 – 2012. In addition to subsidies worth up to $1.8M per tool, local Chinese governments are also offering lower tax rates, accelerated depreciation and free land. This program has encouraged existing Chinese LED manufacturers to expand capacity, resulted in many new entrants and caused existing players in Taiwan and Korea to form joint ventures and add capacity in China. China led in MOCVD installations for the first time in Q3’10 and is expected to lead until the MOCVD stimulus program ends.
In search of growth, a number of existing semiconductor manufacturers have diversified into LEDs hoping to capture some of the remarkable growth forecasted for this segment.
In total, 25 new LED manufacturers have entered and nearly all of the approximately 75 LED manufacturers are adding capacity between 2009 and 2011.



To: FJB who wrote (50672)1/9/2011 7:29:31 PM
From: dvdw©  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 95541
 
Little heads up....there will be several billion t8, t12 t 5 replacements just in USA...those are big numbers, currently the ratio of leds to equivalent T series at 4 ft...is 188 LEDS per bulb. S,o multiply the billion lamps by 188 and you come to the truth of it, the industry is no where near to the capacity needed for just the T lamp retrofits.