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To: LindyBill who wrote (403872)	1/13/2011 10:00:26 AM
From: TideGlider	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794149

The entire article misses the boat. Tenure has eliminated the possibility to remove bad teachers. He hasn't suggested that teachers have no recourse to discipline. He simple means to remove what has become an obstacle to removal of even the worst of employees and frequently has allowed them to be paid while doing absolutely nothing at all. This is not the reason tenure was instituted. It has grown from a protection of good teachers from biased or corrupt administration to a cancerous elimination of the rights of administrations to effectively discipline any "tenured" teachers in their employ without regard to the employees conduct. No other employees, government or otherwise have such protections.

To: LindyBill who wrote (403872)	1/13/2011 1:45:53 PM
From: Geoff Altman	4 Recommendations Respond to of 794149

Vouchers have been tried in Cleveland, Milwaukee and Washington, among other places, with mixed success, said James Lytle, an education professor at the University of Pennsylvania and the superintendent of the Trenton public schools from 1998 to 2006. There's an unbiased opinion....<sic> Mixed...... Leaning heavily to the success side. Tenure,,,,for anyone, in any job bothers the hell out of me. Let's see, I go to school, graduate from college, get a job and within 2 years I have a guaranteed job for life. Great, now I can stop giving a crap, there's little to nothing they can do to me that's not going to cost them big bucks. Ah, it's great to be a teacher. Tenure for teachers AND professors should have been killed years ago. Why educators should get a lifetime break from the day to day struggle to remain employed is beyond me, that is the very same struggle that hones their skills as teachers.... "The governors that are trying to roll back collective bargaining or other kinds of workers' rights are using their state budget crises as an excuse to do that," she said." Never let a crisis go to waste....um, where did we learn that one?...<g>