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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (154292)	1/13/2011 7:18:30 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542904

I am not a Bachmann fan, but those comments in THAT context do not strike me as egregious. Here's the quote that's troubling: "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us, having a revolution every now and then is a good thing, and the people -- we the people -- are going to have to fight back hard if we're not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States and that's why I want everyone to come out and hear. So go to bachmann.house.gov and you can get all the information." [pauses reflect pauses, not omitted text] I take two things from this quote. First, that it's reasonable to find reasons for alarm here. After all, this is only a conversation about cap and trade but she is rolling out the heavy metal of "armed and dangerous", "having a revolution every now and then", and "changing the dynamic of freedom forever." So if Krugman or Benen or whomsoever find, with this context, that she is in troubled waters here, it's more than reasonable. Second, let's go back to the issue, cap and trade. It's a classic wonkish policy issue with a solution proposed by Republicans now being picked up by a Dem President and a Dem Congress. Strikes me that it takes heavy doses of paranoia and "government as tyranny" to get to the Bachmann's rhetoric.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (154292)	1/13/2011 8:19:43 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 542904

Yes, Vintner. Steve Benen has separated her verbal comment into two separate paragraphs, but if you listen to the recording of the public event, she's verbalizing one contiguous thought. It goes like this. After stating that she has additional information on the topic , she then says: "And I have materials for people when they leave. I want people in Minnesota to be armed and dangerous on the issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back." Armed, as in armed with the facts.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (154292)	1/14/2011 9:58:31 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542904

Back before you were born the Governor of Ohio delivered a speech in which he compared the anti Vietnam protesters as Communists, Anarchists the worst threat to our Democracy. He said many more inflammatory things but the essence of the message was vitriolic. The next day four Kent Students were shot by the National Guard. Inflammatory speeches, hate speeches and messages delivered about eradicating, protecting ourselves against the other side even though subvert are evil. President Bush called the Terrorists AXIS OF EVIL.. It applies to those who would divide our country with venomous tirades against anyone disagreeing with you. We can do more harm from the inside to our country than any exterior force if we remain UNITED.... That is a wish devoutly to be wished for but I don't know if it is attainable in today's vociferous climate of us against them....EITHER SIDE... Bachmann is a provocateur as are Palin, Beck Limbaugh, Hannity, SAVAGE is one of the worst. The one home grown terrorist had Savage's books... His hate just resonates through the radio.