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To: Brumar89 who wrote (12719)	1/17/2011 4:27:40 AM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

materialist assumptions?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (12719)	1/17/2011 2:41:19 PM
From: one_less	2 Recommendations Respond to of 69300

Recognition of consciousness addresses the question of 'why there is something instead of nothing.' We intuit consciousness as we become aware and self aware of beingness. As we raise our awareness through intelligence and personal development, we experience our state of being changing...evolving.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (12719)	1/17/2011 8:22:59 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

Ok; I'll bite. How does being a "scientific atheist" with its presumption of materialism (the words in quotes denote two distinct weltanschauungen that are independent but compatible) make recognizing consciousness a no-no?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (12719)	1/17/2011 11:51:50 PM
From: average joe	Respond to of 69300

I note the recognition of consciousness violates the materialist assumptions of "scientific" atheists. Consciousness "Existence exists—and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of perceiving that which exists. If nothing exists, there can be no consciousness: a consciousness with nothing to be conscious of is a contradiction in terms. A consciousness conscious of nothing but itself is a contradiction in terms: before it could identify itself as consciousness, it had to be conscious of something. If that which you claim to perceive does not exist, what you possess is not consciousness. Whatever the degree of your knowledge, these two—existence and consciousness—are axioms you cannot escape, these two are the irreducible primaries implied in any action you undertake, in any part of your knowledge and in its sum, from the first ray of light you perceive at the start of your life to the widest erudition you might acquire at its end. Whether you know the shape of a pebble or the structure of a solar system, the axioms remain the same: that it exists and that you know it . . . Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification." Galt’s Speech, For the New Intellectual - AYN RAND