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To: FJB who wrote (404640)	1/16/2011 2:18:15 PM
From: Gersh Avery	Respond to of 793955

This is a very real shooting war. Bad, unintended things happen in a war.

To: FJB who wrote (404640)	1/16/2011 2:47:10 PM
From: Gersh Avery	1 Recommendation Respond to of 793955

Just found out this is an old story. The event took place in 2008. In 2009 the home owner received a sentence of 7 1/2 years. One officer dead. One innocent home owner in prison. And the home invader runs the streets. At the trial the informant testified that he had been at the home and seen the "marijuana plants" three days before the raid. That would make the informant the prime suspect for the home invasion. Ryan Frederick to be free in 7 1/2 yrs. Updated: Friday, 06 Feb 2009, 6:17 PM EST Published : Thursday, 05 Feb 2009, 7:21 PM EST * Mary Kay Mallonee CHESAPEAKE, Va. - Ryan Frederick, who has been convicted by a jury of voluntary manslaughter in the killing of Chesapeake Police Officer Jarrod Shivers, will be a free man 7 1/2 years from now, according to special prosecutor Paul Ebert. Ebert, who's back at his Northern Virginia office, told WAVY.com Frederick, by law only has to serve 85 percent of his sentence, which means he will serve a total of 8 1/2 years in prison. Also, Frederick will get credit for the year he spent in jail awaiting trial, which means Frederick will be set free in 7 1/2 years, according to Ebert. "I am very disappointed in the jury's verdict. I really thought they were going to find 2nd degree murder," said Ebert. "Detective Jarrod Shivers lost his life for no reason." Wednesday, a Chesapeake jury refused to convict Frederick of Capital Murder and instead found him guilty of a lesser charge, Voluntary Manslaughter and Simple Possesion of Marijuana. Detective Shivers and a team of undercover narcotics detectives went to Frederick's house on January 17, 2008 to search for a marijuana growing operation based on information from a confidential informant. Frederick shot and killed Detective Shivers as Shivers attempted to bust through his front door. Many police officers around Hampton Roads say they're very disappointed, and concerned with the jury's verdict. "This verdict puts the lives of police officers in jeopardy," said Detective Jack Crimmins, president of the Chesapeake Coalition of Police. "There are a lot of disturbed people out there who would take a chance at killing a police officer for only 10 years in prison ," said Crimmins. "Mr. Frederick should be in prison for the rest of his life." Crimmins said police officers are always there for the community when needed. "And when something happens to one of us, we ask the community to come to our aid and when Jarrod Shivers was murdered we asked the community to come to the aid of our police officers and Jarrod's family and they failed us. So, there is some bitterness." Crimmins quickly added that any lingering bitterness on the part of local police officers will never stop them from protecting and serving the people of Hampton Roads. "We are able to put those bitter feelings in a lock box and go out and do our jobs and help people. But, I don't think anyone can go to Jarrod's three children right now and tell them, 'The trial is over, you have closure now.' There is no closure. This wound will be open forever." As for widespread criticism of Chesapeake Police, that they should not have put the lives of the officers or Ryan Frederick in jeopardy "over a little bit of marijuana," Detective Crimmins asks citizens to remember, police officers do not make the laws. "We don't write the laws, we enforce them and we can't be blamed for doing our jobs and enforcing laws that someone else passed," said Crimmins. Crimmins said if the community does not believe marijuana is serious enough to warrant police action, then the community should push their lawmakers to change the law. Until then, he said, police officers are hired to, sworn to enforce the laws on the books, they can't pick and choose which ones they believe are worth enforcing. "We have to take risks. It's the nature of our job," said Crimmins. Prosecutor Ebert voiced great support for the police as well. "Police got a bad rap from the public when they did nothing more than their job," said Ebert. "They acted professionally that night and absolutely by the book." Ebert went on to tell WAVY.com, "In some parts of the country Mr. Frederick would be dead now because police would not have tolerated losing one of their own. But these fellas showed a lot of restraint that night I thought." Ebert said it would have been understandable if, on that night, the officers standing right behind Detective Shivers as he was fired upon, returned fire and shot Frederick. "Police need more support from the community, but I don't know how they could have been more careful than they were in this case," said Ebert. The judge on Ryan Frederick's case is set to make a final ruling on Frederick's sentence in May.

To: FJB who wrote (404640)	1/17/2011 6:47:34 AM
From: Tom Clarke	3 Recommendations Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 793955

The Supreme Court voted 5-4 in 2006 in favor of no knock raids. washingtonpost.com Scalia was just dead wrong on this. Wonder what his opinion is of stare decisis. >>The following, from Justice Scalia’s opinion in Hudson: Another development over the past half-century that deters civil-rights violations is the increasing professionalism of police forces, including a new emphasis on internal police discipline. Even as long ago as 1989, we felt it proper to “assume” that unlawful police behavior “would be dealt with appropriately” by the authorities, but we now have increasing evidence that police forces across the United States take the constitutional rights of citizens seriously. There have been “wide ranging reforms in the education, training, and supervision” of police officers (cite omitted). [...] Moreover, modern police forces are staffed with professionals; it is not credible to assert that internal discipline, which can limit successful careers, will not have a deterrent effect. There is also evidence that the increasing use of various forms of citizen review can enhance police accountability. cato-at-liberty.org

To: FJB who wrote (404640)	1/22/2011 11:38:31 AM
From: Gersh Avery	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793955

by Scott Morgan, January 18, 2011, 01:03am Posted in: Police Raids SWAT/Paramilitarization The drug czar has gone to great rhetorical lengths to convince the American people that our drug policy isn’t a war any longer, but you don't have to look very hard to see the violence that still erupts daily, not only in Mexico, but right here in our own communities. If you can handle it, I'd like you to take a look at just one example of the incredible violence police use when enforcing our drug laws. That is how quickly lives are lost in the war on drugs. When police invade private homes in search of drugs, anything and everything can go wrong, and even the slightest misunderstanding becomes a matter of life and death. The victim in this case, Todd Blair, brandished a golf club in terror as armed men stormed his home in the night. We'll never know for sure if he realized they were police. But we do know that only a small amount of drugs were found in the raid that took his life. youtube.com -- snip -- stopthedrugwar.org