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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (37471)	1/18/2011 5:50:47 AM
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Jorj as an individual you may well be outstanding. But we're not interested in personal, we're interested in national and global. Opinions and beliefs are fine but a logical argument supported by facts is persuasive. That has always been the aim of this thread. You say " ... things are changing." Like this? --- As Obama and Industry Focus on New Fuel Efficient Cars, Sales of SUVs Surge "In fact, as Whorisky reports, sales of mid-size SUVs increased more than 40% in 2010 [Graphic]. "You have about 5 percent of the market that is green and committed to fuel efficiency, but the other 95 percent will give up an extra 5 mpg in fuel economy for a better cup holder," says auto retailer Mike Jackson. The surge in SUV sales signals trouble for American consumers with gas prices expected to rise sharply to as high as $5 a gallon by the 2012 election, as one expert predicts. As Whorisky notes in the article, the sales of SUVs appears to support the thesis that energy efficiency might boomerang to actually increase consumption. The trend has been that gains in fuel efficiency have been used to build bigger cars with more power, instead of cars that use less overall gas consumption." --- While it's conceded there is greater awareness, and many individuals like you may be acting positively the aggregate effect of energy consumption is exactly opposite to what you claim. Only when people run into the wall will they change. Not before. Jim

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (37471)	2/9/2011 12:39:34 AM
From: Rob S.	Respond to of 46821

I agree with you, we don't need any mandated 'system' but we do need to have purposeful efforts placed on this. The problem is that there is so little public advocacy: it is not up to par with the advocacy for spending, public and private policies that encourage proliferation of the standards that are being developed but go largely unused. The natural way is for those industries that have the laws bent to their advantage, such as tax breaks, public indebtedness to build the infrastructure to continue the dominant economic structures to press to maintain their share even though that drives the health of the economy. Individuals and companies could be encouraged to be doing telecommuting, promote the dynamic ride-sharing programs and have them work together better with social networking programs. Why not give them a small tax break instead of oil companies for importing more poisonous, bankrupting black muck? "No, that's social activism.. socialism/oligarchy is for dinosaur industrial companies! ...Comrade, have another swig of oil depletion allowances!"