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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 7:49:09 AM
From: TideGlider7 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
You display your ignorance daily and you don't question his citizenship.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 7:50:52 AM
From: nnillionaire3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224750
 
Kenny

Nobody questions the President's citizenship. His place of birth, however, is totally unclear. Also his actions in blocking all public access to records regarding his place of birth are extremely suspect.

You see, Kenny, one of the requirements of being President of the United States is to be a natural born citizen of the US and Obama has not provided any proof that he was born on US soil.

Ignorant it is not. Exactly what are the 'birthers' ignoring?

Not to question or request proof that the POTUS meets the criteria of being POTUS set forth by the Constitution of the US is a citizen's RIGHT and is totally appropriate and justified.

nnil



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 8:06:55 AM
From: chartseer2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
Why did the new Dumasarat governor of Hawaii state he would clear up once and for all the question of Brilliant Barry's place of birth?
How is that coming along? I am waiting with bated breath.

citizen chartseer



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 8:08:06 AM
From: lorne3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
hey kenny..How come these hussein obama supporters are following obama's agenda and sharing THEIR wealth with their union members?

Union Operatives’ Salaries Raise Eyebrows in Capitol
Many Who Engage in Class Warfare Rhetoric Earn Six Figure Salaries
MacIver News Service | February 10, 2011
A MacIver Investigation
By Bill Osmulski
MacIver News Service
maciverinstitute.com

Government employee unions’ class warfare rhetoric seems out of place coming from the top union brass.

The MacIver News Service has examined hundreds of pages of public records available through the U.S. Department of Labor and via the online search site Guidestar and found that many of the most prominent union advocates in the state make well in excess of $100,000 a year in salary alone.

For example, Marty Beil, executive director of American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME )Council 24 SEPAC, made $161,847 in 2008 according to the organization’s Form 990. That’s considerably more than the $144,423 a year Scott Walker makes as Wisconsin’s Governor.

Despite this, Beil has repeatedly attempted to portray Walker as a member of some upper class elite. In December, Beil said Walker’s treatment of state employees was like “the plantation owner talking to the slaves.”

“We’ve moved in Walker’s mentality from public service to public servitude,” Beil said.

Beil also blogged on January 7, 2011, “folks attending the inauguration inside were well clad in their minks, sables, and $1000 suits. During the inauguration, the general public was locked out of their Capitol, which was only accessible through invitation or ticket. A fine example for Scott Walker – governor of the ‘people’.”

The heated rhetoric is not sitting well with some lawmakers in Madison.

“I don’t begrudge anyone an honest day’s pay for an honest day’s work, and the market determines your value,” said Rep. Bill Kramer (R-Waukesha). “But it’s pretty hypocritical to whine about being treated like a slave when you pull down well over 100-grand a year.”

Beil is not the only public sector union leader to be making a six-figure salary, the MacIver News Service discovered. Even his assistant director at AFSME 24 SEPAC, Jana Weaver, made $138,553. In fact, all six full time AFSCME 24 SEPAC employees make six-figure salaries.

The AFSCME Wisconsin State Council, which occupies the same building as SEPAC at 8033 Excelsior Drive in Madison, also has a good number of employees with near six-figure salaries. According to the union’s 2009 LM-2, filed with the U.S. Department of Labor, 16 field representatives make more than $90,000 annually.

Richard Abelson, Executive Director of ASCFME Council 48 in Milwaukee, has in the past accused Walker of stopping the ratification of pending state employee contracts in December, even though the then governor-elect had not yet taken the oath of office.

“Walker’s contempt for working people is boundless,” Abelson wrote in his blog, Direct Talk. “In ‘Scott Walker World,’ there is no CEO who makes enough money and no working person who deserves what he/she earns.”

Abelson made $106,122 in salary in 2009, according to the union’s LM-2.

Since the Democratic-controlled State Senate shot down the state employee contracts in December 2010, the public sector unions have been trying to pressure Governor Walker to reopen negotiations.

Union leaders suspect state employees will be adversely affected by the soon-to-be-introduced budget repair bill, by which Walker will address the state’s $145 million deficit.

“Public employee unions are a creature of state law and there might be consideration of changing that state law to empower the taxpayers of the Wisconsin,” Walker said in December. “We are exploring every option out there.”

The union leaders are pressing for details.

“It’s time for Gov. Walker to discuss shared sacrifice with the dedicated public employees who will make those sacrifices,” said Bryan Kennedy President of AFT-WI, a state government employee union that is a part of the AFL-CIO.

Kennedy wrote a letter to Walker in December in which he said, “No one goes into public service in this state to get rich; rather, we are committed to the public we serve.”

Walker Administration officials have said that requiring state employees to contribute five percent to their pensions and pay twelve percent of their health insurance premiums would save the state tens of millions in the remaining months of the current budget alone. The Governor is expected to unveil his stop-gap budget repair bill within days.

“Our upcoming budget is built on the premise that we must right size our government,” Walker in his State of the State address earlier this month. “That means reforming public employee benefits — as well as reforming entitlement programs and reforming the state’s relationships with local governments.”

In responding to that speech Kennedy said, “Public employees will continue to sacrifice to help with budget woes, but our sacrifices have already been considerable – we are now doing more with less than any time in recent history.”

Kennedy drew a salary of $129,402 in 2008, according to the organization’s tax documents.

To be sure, the labor union wages are not reflective of all state employees. In fact, more than ninety seven percent of state employees (excluding the UW system) make less than $100,000.

The union bosses’ salaries do put them head and shoulders above the average Wisconsinite and the rank and file workers whose plights they regularly bemoan, however.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the state’s median individual income for 2009 was $39,718, meanwhile the median wage for state employees was $45,599 according to an analysis of data provided by the Department of Administration.

When benefits are included, the Wisconsin Taxpayers Alliance reports the average state employee total compensation in 2008 was valued at $71,000; still only around half of what some labor leaders make in salary alone.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 8:17:01 AM
From: Sedohr Nod4 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
It shouldn't be much of an issue after January 2013.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 8:33:03 AM
From: lorne3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224750
 
kenni..."To question the President's citizenship is to display one's ignorance."...

How do you think the ignorance of all these people will affect hussein obama's 2012 bid for a second dictatorship term?

ELEVEN (11) STATES EYEING PROOF OF OBAMA'S ELIGIBILITY BEFORE 2012 ELECTIONS... BILLS REQUIRE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES TO BE QUALIFIED.Posted by TONY SALAZAR, SC DIST.#5 COORD; on February 10, 2011 at 1:03pm in General, Town Hall
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BORN IN THE USA?
11th state eyeing proof of Obama's eligibility
Lawmaker files new bill to require presidential candidates be qualified
February 09, 2011
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
patriotactionnetwork.com

WASHINGTON – And then there were 11.

The push at the state level to ensure no future president enters office under the cloud of suspicion that he or she might not be constitutionally eligible is growing.

At the request of a local tea-party group, Tennessee state Sen. Mae Beavers has filed a bill that would require presidential candidates to show an original birth certificate establishing constitutional eligibility for the office before getting on the ballot beginning in 2012.

Beavers told a local television station she said she wouldn't comment about whether or not she believes Obama meets the test because she has no personal knowledge about whether or not he can prove it. She said, however, this legislation would erase all concerns in future elections.

"We just want to make doubly sure in Tennessee if we put someone on the ballot, they are qualified to run," said Beavers.

That makes 11 state legislatures now considering such bills – with several of them well on the way to passage.

Order your copy of Jerome Corsi's upcoming blockbuster, "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to Be President," autographed from the WND Superstore and be among the first get this historic book when it is released this spring.

There is Arizona's HB2544, Connecticut's SB391, Georgia's HB37, Indiana's SB114, Maine's LD34, Missouri's HB283, Montana's HB205, Nebraska's LB654, Oklahoma's SB91, SB384 and SB540, and Texas; HB295 and HB529.

New Hampshire last year adopted HB1245, but it requires only a statement under penalty of perjury that a candidate meets the qualification requirements of the U.S. Constitution, which is something similar to what the political parties already state regarding their candidates.

Other plans were considered last year in Texas, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Missouri, Minnesota, Maine and Arizona, and Arizona's probably got the closest to law, falling a "pocket veto" short in the state Senate, despite widespread support.

Arizona

This is the one that could change the game. A plan in Arizona to require presidential candidates to prove their eligibility to occupy the Oval Office is approaching critical mass, even though it has just been introduced.

The proposal from state Rep. Judy Burges was brought forth with 16 members of the state Senate as co-sponsors. It needs only 16 votes in the Senate to pass.

In the House, there are 25 co-sponsors, with the need for only 31 votes for passage, and Burges told WND that there were several chamber members who confirmed they support the plan and will vote for it, but simply didn't wish to be listed as co-sponsors.

The proposal is highly specific and directly addresses the questions that have been raised by Barack Obama's occupancy of the White House. It says:

Within ten days after submittal of the names of the candidates, the national political party committee shall submit an affidavit of the presidential candidate in which the presidential candidate states the candidate's citizenship and age and shall append to the affidavit documents that prove that the candidate is a natural born citizen, prove the candidate's age and prove that the candidate meets the residency requirements for President of the United States as prescribed in article II, section 1, Constitution of the United States.
"I think every American should consider it of prime importance to ensure that all candidates for the highest elected position in our nation meet all constitutional requirements," she told WND.

The Arizona bill also requires attachments, "which shall be sworn to under penalty of perjury," including "an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance."

It also requires testimony that the candidate "has not held dual or multiple citizenship and that the candidate's allegiance is solely to the United States of America."

"If both the candidate and the national political party committee for that candidate fail to submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate's name on the ballot in this state," the plan explains.

The governor's office is occupied by Republican Jan Brewer, who has had no difficulty in bringing direct challenges to Washington, such as in 2010 when lawmakers adopted provisions allowing state law-enforcement officers to enforce federal immigration law. The move prompted an immediate court challenge by Washington.

Connecticut

In Connecticut, SB291 has been referred to the Judiciary Committee.

It would require "that candidates for president and vice-president provide their original birth certificates in order to be placed on the ballot."

That is needed to make sure the candidate "is a natural born United States citizen, prior to certifying that the candidate is qualified to appear on the ballot."

Georgia

In Georgia, HB37 by Rep. Bobby Franklin not only demands original birth-certificate documentation, it provides a procedure for and declares that citizens have "standing" to challenge the documentation.

"Each political party shall provide for each candidate ... original documentation that he meets the qualifications of Article, 2 Section 1, Paragraph 1, and Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the United States Constitution to serve as president of the United States if elected to such office," it states.

"Any citizen of this state shall have the right to challenge the qualifications of any such candidate within two weeks following the publication of the names of such candidates," it says.

Indiana

In Indiana it was Sen. Mike Delph who proposed SB114 to require candidates to provide a certified copy of their birth certificate and include an affirmation they meet the Constitution's requirements for the president.

It calls for the candidates "to certify that the candidate has the qualifications provided in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution" and accompany that certification with "a certified copy of the candidate's birth certificate, including any other documentation necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications."

In also provides "that the election division may not certify the name of a nominee for president or vice president of the United States unless the election division has received a nominee's certification and documentation."

On his blog, commentator Gary Welsh observed that state law already requires the elections division to deny ballot access to unqualified candidates:

"However, it makes no provision for requiring candidates to furnish any evidence with their declaration of candidacy to indicate whether they are eligible to hold the office. Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution requires a person to be a natural born citizen, at least 35 years of age and have resided within the United States for at least 14 years in order to be eligible to be president. Under Delph's legislation, no major party candidate will be eligible for the Indiana presidential primary unless they file a declaration of candidacy attesting that he or she meets the constitutional eligibility requirements and furnish the state election's division with a certified copy of the candidate's birth certificate and any other evidence the Commission may require to establish the candidate satisfies the constitutional eligibility requirements."

He cited the "unprecedented" 2008 election, where "the candidates nominated by both major parties for president had questions raised by citizens about their eligibility, which resulted in dozens of lawsuits being filed across the country. Sen. John McCain's birth in Panama where his father was serving his country in the Navy led to lawsuits being filed against his candidacy, while questions about the birthplace of Barack Obama resulted in even more lawsuits being filed challenging his eligibility.

"Obama furnished to Factcheck.org what was purported to be a certified copy of his birth certificate [the online certification of live birth], although questions lingered about his natural born status because his father was not a U.S. citizen and persistent Internet rumors that he was actually born in Kenya and not Hawaii as he claimed."

But he said the issue was that neither candidate was "required to furnish any election authority with any document such as a birth certificate ... ."

He said, "After [Sen. John] McCain was nominated at the Republican National Convention, Republican officials filed with the elections division a certificate of nomination that attested both he and his vice presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, met the eligibility requirements set out in the U.S. Constitution. The certificate of nomination filed by Democratic Party officials for Obama and his running mate, Joe Biden, contained no similar attestation.

"Critics will no doubt poke fun at SB114 and label Delph and those who support it as 'birthers.' To them I say it is no more absurd than the documentary proof required under state law for persons seeking a driver's license, or requiring all registered voters to present a valid picture ID in order to cast a vote in person at an election. And it certainly is no more burdensome than evidence required of ordinary citizens in any number of transactions," he said.

On Welsh's blog, a forum participant wrote, "All I can say is he is the only president in my memory who has not only REFUSED to present medical records, tax records, birth records, college records, etc., but he has hired a battalion of lawyers who vigorously fight every effort to force him to. Why is he so secretive?"

Maine

Maine's LD34 calls for a requirement for candidates for public office to provide proof of citizenship.

It states, "A candidate for nomination by primary election shall show proof of United States citizenship in the form of a certified copy of the candidate's birth certificate and the candidate's driver's license or other government-issued identification to the Secretary of State."

Missouri

The Missouri plan, HB283, by nearly two dozen sponsors, would require that certification for candidates "shall include proof of identity and proof of United States citizenship."

Nebraska

In Nebraska, with LB654, the certification for candidates would "include affidavits and supporting documentation."

That paperwork would need to document they meet the "eligibility requirements of Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."

It requires an affidavit that says: "I was born a citizen of the United States of America and was subject exclusively to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, owing allegiance to no other country at the time of my birth."

Montana

Under Montana's plan by Rep. Bob Wagner, candidates would have to document their eligibility and also provide for protection for state taxpayers to prevent them from being billed for "unnecessary expense and litigation" involving the failure of 'federal election officials' to do their duty.

"There should be no question after the fact as to the qualifications [of a president]," Wagner told WND. "The state of Montana needs to have [legal] grounds to sue for damages for the cost of litigation."

Wagner's legislation cites the Constitution's requirement that the president hold "natural born citizenship" and the fact that the "military sons and daughters of the people of Montana and all civil servants to the people of Montana are required by oath to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States and Montana against enemies foreign and domestic."

But there are estimates of up to $2 million being spent on Obama's defense against eligibility lawsuits. There have been dozens of them and some have been running for more than two years. So Wagner goes a step beyond.

"Whereas, it would seem only right and just to positively certify eligibility for presidential and congressional office at the federal level; and whereas, it is apparent that the federal authority is negligent in the matter; therefore, the responsibility falls upon the state; and whereas, this act would safeguard the people of Montana from unnecessary expense and litigation and the possibility that federal election officials fail in their duty and would ensure that the State of Montana remains true to the Constitution," says his proposed legislation.

Oklahoma

In Oklahoma, SB91 would require "proof of citizenship for certain candidates" and take the openness one step further, allowing the public access.

It demands an "original" birth certificate issued by a state, the federal government, or documentation of a birth of a U.S. citizen abroad ...

"Copies of these documents shall be made by the election board and kept available for public inspection pursuant to the Oklahoma Open Records Act.

Pennsylvania (pending)

In Pennsylvania, there was excitement over the GOP majority of both houses of the state legislature as well as the governor's office.

Assemblyman Daryl Metcalfe told WND he is working on a proposal that would demand documentation of constitutional eligibility.

He described it as a "problem" that there has been no established procedure for making sure that presidential candidates meet the Constitution's requirements for age, residency and being a "natural born citizen."

"We hope we would be able to pass this legislation and put it into law before the next session," he said.

Texas

A bill filed for the Texas Legislature by Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, that would require candidates' documentation.

Berman's legislation, House Bill 295, is brief and simple:

It would add to the state election code the provision: "The secretary of state may not certify the name of a candidate for president or vice-president unless the candidate has presented the candidate's original birth certificate indicating that the person is a natural-born United States citizen."

It includes an effective date of Sept. 1, 2011, in time for 2012 presidential campaigning.

State Rep. Leo Berman

Berman told WND he's seen neither evidence nor indication that Obama qualifies under the Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."

"If the federal government is not going to vet these people, like they vetted John McCain, we'll do it in our state," he said.

He noted the Senate's investigation into McCain because of the Republican senator's birth in Panama to military parents.

At the time the Constitution was written, many analysts agree, a "natural born citizen" was considered to be a citizen born of two citizen parents. If that indeed is correct, Obama never would have been qualified to be president, as he himself has confirmed his father was a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom, making Obama a dual citizen with Kenyan and American parentage at his birth.

Other definitions have called for a "natural born citizen" to be born of citizen parents inside the nation.

There have been dozens of lawsuits and challenges over the fact that Obama's "natural born citizen" status never has been documented. The "certification of live birth" his campaign posted online is a document that Hawaii has made available to those not born in the state.

The controversy stems from the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

The challenges to Obama's eligibility allege he does not qualify because he was not born in Hawaii in 1961 as he claims, or that he fails to qualify because he was a dual citizen, through his father, of the U.S. and the United Kingdom's Kenyan territory when he was born and the framers of the Constitution specifically excluded dual citizens from eligibility.

There are several cases still pending before the courts over Obama's eligibility. Those cases, however, almost all have been facing hurdles created by the courts' interpretation of "standing," meaning someone who is being or could be harmed by the situation. The courts have decided almost unanimously that an individual taxpayer faces no damages different from other taxpayers, therefore doesn't have standing. Judges even have ruled that other presidential candidates are in that position.

The result is that none of the court cases to date has reached the level of discovery, through which Obama's birth documentation could be brought into court.

Obama even continued to withhold the information during a court-martial of a military officer, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, who challenged his deployment orders on the grounds Obama may not be a legitimate president. Lakin was convicted and sent to prison.

A year ago, polls indicated that roughly half of American voters were aware of a dispute over Obama's eligibility. Recent polls, however, by organizations including CNN, show that roughly six in 10 American voters hold serious doubts that Obama is eligible under the Constitution's demands.

Orly Taitz, the California lawyer who has worked on a number of the highest-profile legal challenges to Obama, was encouraging residents of other states to get to work.

"We need eligibility bills filed in each and every state of the union ... as it shows the regime that we are still the nation of law and the Constitution, that the Constitution matters and state representatives and senators are ready to fight for the rule of law. During the last election there were some 700 more Republican state assemblyman elected all over the country, as the nation is not willing to tolerate this assault on our rights and our Constitution any further," she said.

There also was, during the last Congress, Rep. Bill Posey's bill at the federal level.

Posey's H.R. 1503 stated:

"To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."
The bill also provided:

"Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years."
It had more than a dozen sponsors, and while it died at the end of the last Congress, there are hopes the GOP majority in the House this year will move such a plan forward.

There also is a petition, already signed by tens of thousands, to state lawmakers asking them to make sure the next president of the United States qualifies under the Constitution's eligibility requirements.

"What we need are hundreds of thousands of Americans endorsing this strategy on the petition – encouraging more action by state officials before the 2012 election. Imagine if just one or two states adopt such measures before 2012. Obama will be forced to comply with those state regulations or forgo any effort to get on the ballot for re-election. Can Obama run and win without getting on all 50 state ballots? I don't think so," said Joseph Farah, CEO of WND, who is behind the idea of the petition.

An earlier petition had been directed at all controlling legal authorities at the federal level to address the concerns expressed by Americans, and it attracted more than half a million names.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 8:43:16 AM
From: tonto4 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224750
 
To state that our Navy is impotent displayed your ignorance.

To question the President's citizenship is to display one's ignorance.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 10:27:00 AM
From: MJ3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
Questioning Obama's citizenship and reasons for hiding his documents via executive order is intelligent.

Those who support the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party and Obama have displayed their ignorance in not producing those documents.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 11:09:29 AM
From: CF Rebel2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
To question the President's citizenship is to display one's ignorance.

Citizenship, perhaps. But not his eligibility to be president. Against a cover-up of the first order, he is walking on very thin ice. To wit:

No long-form birth certificate.
No college records.
No disclosure of how his upper education was paid for (allegedly paid for by grants available only to non-U.S. citizens).
Ongoing use of a social security number only issued in Connecticut.

To not question his presidential eligibility under these circumstances shows you to be a first-class sucker and intellectually dishonest. What else is new?

CF Rebel



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 11:35:15 AM
From: TopCat3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224750
 
"To question the President's citizenship is to display one's ignorance."

Why?



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (99869)2/14/2011 4:48:59 PM
From: chartseer4 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
in 1950 the government spending was 28% of the GDP
in 2010 the government spending was 41% of the GDP.
Still not letting the facts get in your way are you?


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