Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : Evolution -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (14798)	3/22/2011 11:37:55 AM
From: T L Comiskey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 69300

1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus Charles Mann, A Good Read pbs.org

To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (14798)	3/22/2011 11:41:59 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

Sitting Bull said he didn't blame the whites, if he had the numbers he would have done the same to them. The first plains indians to get horses extinct the tribes who didn't have them, killed and the males and enslaved the women. Indians were big believers in slavery and torture. you think Indians thought of whites as humans lolololololol. man you are naive. the names indians called themselves was usually 'the people' other tribes and whites weren't people. People have conquered other people for the last 20,000 years. look at europe, asia, africa

To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (14798)	3/22/2011 11:46:11 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 69300

The present King of Great Britain...has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers; the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (14798)	3/22/2011 11:53:08 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 69300

The Iroqois and Algonquins had a long running war. One of the highlights was when the Iroquois massacred the entire Erie tribe. Approximately 1,000 Eries were tied individually to trees and burned alive, all in one day, somewhere near the eastern shore of Lake Erie. At one point the Iroquois were willing to travel hundreds of miles to the west to massacre a tribe in Illinois. Ritual cannibalism was common among these tribes. Eating the heart of a brave enemy was believed to confer bravery on the diner. You don't want to know about the tortures they employed . . .

To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (14798)	3/22/2011 11:54:16 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 69300

Here is an address that links to the story of the torture and murder of Catholic missionary Isaac Jogues who died at the hands of the Iroquois tribe: sfo.com And here is the torture part: The trip to Quebec was made without mishap. On August 1st, Jogues' group, forty in number, laden with goods and supplies for the hard pressed mission, left on the return trip to Huronia. They did not get very far. On the following day they were ambushed by the waiting Iroquois. Most of the Hurons fled, a few were killed or captured, and Jogues and two donne's Rene' Goupil and Guillaume Couture were taken prisoner. Among the captured Hurons was Ahatsistari, the greatest of their warriors, and several other prominent Christians. What a blow to the Huron mission! As soon as the engagement was over, the nightmare of torture began. The enemy fell upon their captives in a great rage, ripping out their finger nails, chewing their fingers and beating them with clubs. They then hustled off their victims to Mohawk country south of the St. Lawrence. En route the poor captives were "caressed" by 200 Iroquois setting out on the warpath. All, except a few small children, were savagely beaten and mutilated. And yet there was still so much more to come. On the 18th day, weak from lack of food, loss of blood and the agonizing pain of their bruised, broken and mutilated members, the prisoners arrived in the first Iroquois village. Here again the same ordeal had to be faced: running the gauntlet, beating, cutting, whip-ping, burning, scratching. It was an incredible experience to be under-gone again in two other villages. One wonders how the captives could survive such brutal and inhuman treatment. Jogues seemed to be singled out for the refinement of this cruelty since the Iroquois considered him a kind of leader. They hacked off his left thumb; and yet he was grateful they had spared the right thumb so he could write to his brethren! He also received some terrible blows to his body, especially with a big lump of iron attached to a rope, and, as he said, "the only thing that kept me from fainting and that sustained my strength and courage was the fear that my tormentor would hit me with it a second time." And even at night there was no respite for the poor victims. It was then the turn of the adolescents and children who delighted in throwing hot coals and burning cinders on their tortured flesh, in tearing open their wounds and in inflicting other senseless barbarities. And as Jogues himself remarked, "patience was our physician." <

To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (14798)	3/22/2011 12:23:04 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 69300

In the eastern woodlands cultural area (roughly encompassing the eastern one-half of the United States, and the southern portion of Quebec and Ontario), cultural traditions for dealing with captives predated the arrival of Europeans. Some captives were adopted into their captors' tribe. Adoption frequently involved the captive receiving the name of a deceased member of the captors' tribe, and receiving the deceased's social status (i.e. becoming a member of the family of the deceased person).[1] Children seem to have been invariably adopted, as were teenage girls. Those men and women [2] who were not adopted, as well as teenage boys [3], could also face the alternate fate of death by torture. The torture had strong sacrificial overtones, usually to the sun.[4] Captives were expected to show extreme self-control and composure during torture, singing "death songs", bragging of one's courage or deeds in battle, and otherwise showing defiance.[5] The torture was conducted publicly in the captors' village, and the entire population (including children) watched and participated.[6] Common torture techniques included burning the captive- which was done one ember at a time, rather than the Hollywood-style pile of firewood around the captive - cuts from knives, beatings with switches and jabs from sharp sticks. Prisoners' fingernails were ripped out. Their fingers were broken, then twisted and yanked by children. Captives were made to eat pieces of their own flesh, and were scalped alive. To make the torture last longer, the Indians would revive captives with rest periods during which time they were given food and water. Tortures would begin with the lower limbs, then gradually spread to the arms, then the torso. The Indians spoke of "caressing" the prisoners gently at first, which meant that the initial tortures were designed to cause pain, but only minimal bodily harm. By these means, the execution of a captive, especially an adult male, could take several days and nights.[7] en.wikipedia.org

To: Giordano Bruno who wrote (14798)	3/22/2011 1:42:59 PM
From: LLCF	2 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 69300

1.) Bruno never existed according to wacko's here. 2.) You'll notice nothing but standard Parrot: "they would do it too" from dopes like Bongsnort... as if your statement of fact needs some sort of retort. 3.) Note: Interesting that these "religious nutcases" just can NEVER seem to admit that their history may not be "perfect" in they eyes of their god. See Brummars unwillingness to admit that Christians were killing jews by hearding them into gas chambers. Like... SO? As if denial of truth saves them from something??? Strange stuff. Bunch of scardy cats!! DAK