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To: unclewest who wrote (419087)	3/30/2011 12:23:40 PM
From: Neeka	1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793782

Why would the president intentionally support and defend "rebels" who are #1. Al Queada and #2. being lead by a man who fought against U.S. troops in Afghanistan?

To: unclewest who wrote (419087)	3/30/2011 2:10:06 PM
From: KLP	1 Recommendation Respond to of 793782

Warning: Uncivil language: WELL NO KIDDING ~~Trained Army vs. Ragged Mob: Army Wins Every Time Libyan rebels getting their asses whupped Hey, maybe we should arm them! Sanctions? What sanctions? Hey, maybe we should send in our troops to help them out? No troops on the ground promise? What’s that? This can’t qualify as an iteration of the law of unintended consequences because nobody can possibly be that stupid and oblivious. Can they. Is he? Geez. Obama, The Quicker *ucker-Upper. Libyan rebels fled in headlong retreat from the superior firepower and tactics of Muammar Gaddafi’s troops on Wednesday, highlighting their weakness without Western air strikes to tip the scales in their favor. The rapid reverse comes just two days after the rebels raced westwards along the all-important coastal road in hot pursuit of the government army whose tanks and artillery were demolished in five days of aerial bombardment in the town of Ajdabiyah. Gaddafi’s army first ambushed the insurgents’ convoy of pick-up trucks outside the “brother leader’s” hometown of Sirte, then outflanked them through the desert, a maneuver requiring the sort of discipline entirely lacking in the rag-tag rebel force. The towns of Nawfaliyah, Bin Jawad and Ras Lanuf fell in quick succession to the lightning government counter-strike. “They are coming from the desert,” yelled one fighter among a group of a dozen rebels 10-15 km (6-8 miles) west of Brega training their guns south into the Sahara. Wisps of dust could be seen rising in the distance. Scores of rebel pick-ups and cars streamed past them in a chaotic caravan east toward Brega. In town after town, Gaddafi force’s have unleashed a fierce bombardment from tanks, artillery and truck-launched Grad rockets which has usually forced rebels to swiftly flee. “These are our weapons,” said rebel fighter Mohammed, pointing to his assault rifle. “We can’t fight Grads with them,” he said before joining the rush toward Brega. Without Western air strikes, the rebels seem unable to make advances or even hold their positions against Gaddafi’s armor. Rebel forces lack training, discipline and leadership. There are many different groups of volunteers and decisions are often made only after heated arguments. Grad launch truck fires 40 122mm rockets in 20 seconds Each rocket can fly 13 miles and carries a 41lb warhead It can reload and fire again in <5 minutes. You can't fight this thing with a rifle So I guess the US is about to take the blame for the rebel’s loss. To “make things fair”, in addition to all their planes and radars, we would have to blow up every tank, truck, radio, ammo dump, fuel dump, and piece of artillery the Libyan Army has. Thousands of them, I’m sure. Tens of thousands. Which would change the very nature of the “kinetic military endeavor” from “no-fly” to “shock and awe”. Which would cost us billions. It would be Gulf War I all over again. And even then their army would still have major advantages: numbers, training, communication, common ammunition, chain of command. All of which these rebels lack. If even 2/3 of Gadaffhi’s army stay loyal, there is simply no way that the rebels can win. No. Possible. Way. And that doesn’t even take Momo’s crazy Tuareg mercenaries into consideration. The only way for the rebels to win is for us to knock off Gaddafhi and send in the Marines. At least they’ve been there before. Thanks Obama. WTF have you gotten us into? barking-moonbat.com

To: unclewest who wrote (419087)	3/31/2011 12:08:11 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793782

Libyan rebels sold Hizballah and Hamas chemical shells DEBKAfile Exclusive Report March 31, 2011, 11:24 AM (GMT+02:00) Senior Libyan rebel “officers” sold Hizballah and Hamas thousands of chemical shells from the stocks of mustard and nerve gas that fell into rebel hands when they overran Muammar Qaddafi’s military facilities in and around Benghazi, debkafile’s exclusive military and intelligence sources report. Word of the capture touched off a scramble in Tehran and among the terrorist groups it sponsors to get hold of their first unconventional weapons. According to our sources, the rebels offloaded at least 2,000 artillery shells carrying mustard gas and 1,200 nerve gas shells for cash payment amounting to several million dollars. US and Israeli intelligence agencies have tracked the WMD consignments from eastern Libya as far as Sudan in convoys secured by Iranian agents and Hizballah and Hamas guards. They are not believed to have reached their destinations in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, apparently waiting for an opportunity to get their deadly freights through without the US or Israel attacking and destroying them. It is also not clear whether the shells and gases were assembled upon delivery or were travelling in separate containers. Our sources report that some of the poison gas may be intended not only for artillery use but also for drones which Hizballah recently acquired from Iran. Tehran threw its support behind the anti-Qaddafi rebels because of this unique opportunity to get hold of the Libyan ruler’s stock of poison gas after it fell into opposition hands and arm Hizballah and Hamas with unconventional weapons without Iran being implicated in the transaction. Shortly after the uprising began in the third week of February, a secret Iranian delegation arrived in Benghazi. Its members met rebel chiefs, some of them deserters from the Libyan army, and clinched the deal for purchasing the entire stock of poison gas stock and the price. The rebels threw in a quantity of various types of anti-air missiles. Hizballah and Hamas purchasing missions arrived in the first week of March to finalize the deal and arrange the means of delivery. The first authoritative American source to refer to a Hizballah presence in Benghazi was the commander of US NATO forces Adm. James Stavridis. When he addressed a US Senate committee on Tuesday, March 29, he spoke of “telltale signs of the presence of Islamic insurgents led by Al-Qaeda and Hizballah” on the rebel side of the Libyan war. He did not disclose what they were doing there.