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To: Freedom Fighter who wrote (127146)	4/17/2011 2:57:40 AM
From: Skeeter Bug	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

>>Some things that are not secret conspiracies are the functional equivalent of them. Sometimes those in power, acting independently, want the same things even though they are morally wrong, corrupt, illegal etc...<< absolutely true. >>The creation of the Federal Reserve was not a conspiracy. It was the result of the financial elite, war mongers, and left wing government expansionists all wanting a way to finance their agenda and politicians realizing that raising taxes would get them throw out of office. So the only way to satisfy everyone was to print money and confiscate wealth from the public in a way that most could not understand (inflation).<< that fits the definition of a conspiracy to a T. "a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose" there is a combination of persons and the intent to achieve secret results. why do you say that isn't a conspiracy? is that because of the emotional baggage that has been associated with the word in order to better enable conspiracies and shout down people who point them out WITH FACTS? of course there are looney toon conspiracies, but that doesn't make all conspiracies looney toon. we have to think them through, ponder the incentives, and ponder the evidence. or we could do, as nadine has done, lie about sources and move on. >>Wall ST has a way to create bubbles, profit, and then socialize the downside (a giant rape and pillage machine).<< nadine thinks this is, apparently, just blind luck. >>The oil giants, global corporations, and Wall St have their imperialistic war machine creating new markets, stealing natural resources, etc..<< blind luck. >>The socialists have their bankrupt welfare state.<< it just happened, nobody ever planned it out. that would be a conspiracy. >>The politicians lie about inflation and blamed external things. The public takes it where the sun never shines. No conspiracy. It's out in the open and very clear for anyone to see. << the actual act might be visible, but all the eventual nuances are secret. for example, there is no doubt the federal reserve is criminal and broke the law. nadine never explains how this fact can be lost on each and every establishment organization. she says youtube (err, fox news -lol-) criticizes the fed, but can't produce what doesn't exist - them calling the fed out for criminally breaking the law. h*ll, fox has never even told the people what the fed mandate really is - they just lie about it. they aren't stupid. they can read. they have an agenda. anyone that doesn't think so can feel free to communicate the true mandate to any of their favorite Big Capital media puppets and they still won't tell anyone. the media is controlled. the corporation explains how it works quite well. it is why boeing advertises when they don't sell to the public - they are effectively bribing the stations to keep bad news off the airwaves, just like monsanto did with fox. i simply tell the truth as i see it, along with supporting data, and i don't care if other people can't wrap their heads around it or simply make up lies to avoid dealing with the truth - even to the point of simply lying to avoid an actual debate of the issues.

To: Freedom Fighter who wrote (127146)	4/17/2011 2:22:56 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

Some things that are not secret conspiracies are the functional equivalent of them. Sometimes those in power, acting independently, want the same things even though they are morally wrong, corrupt, illegal etc... Yes, it makes more sense to speak of this as emergent systemic behavior, rather than talking about secret conspiracies. Every complex system breeds systemic behavior whose exact form it would have been hard to predict beforehand. Real conspiracies are difficult and rare.

To: Freedom Fighter who wrote (127146)	4/17/2011 6:54:22 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	1 Recommendation Respond to of 132070

The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. ~Thomas Jefferson "In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason." — Zbigniew Brzezinski (Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era) goodreads.com they tell you they are manipulating and controlling us... is nadine a bigger insider than zbginiew? freedom, why is it that powerful people planning to increase their wealth and power is taboo? cui bono? it isn't conspiracy theory, IT IS ECON 101! our entire government is set up where insiders plan the laws IN SECRET and then lobby (bribe), behind the scenes, to get their plans passed and forced onto the people with the power of the Central State gun pointed at their heads. we have the fed planning to break the law and doing so for 25 years. they've lied about it for as long. the politicians lie about it as does the media. academia isn't telling anyone, either. accident? nope. go ahead and print out section 2a and send it whomever you think will bring it public. they won't. exposing the fed's criminality isn't acceptable in the corporate media. clearly, this is a plan to deceive the american people as to the source of the credit bubble (fed, fed, fed - everyone else played on what the fed did) that will wipe them out financially when it eventually collapses. powerful people gaming the system is the history of the world in a nutshell. of course, powerful people will use their ability to spin propaganda to demonize the idea they are gaming the system... you know, anyone would be labeled a kook for saying the banks would blow up and get $23 trillion in bailouts and guarantees. but they would've been right and those, like nadine, that wouldn't challenged them would simply have been ignorant of the system in place designed to defend "the club." the american public is being played like a bunch of chumps and they appear to enjoy it that way. they defend "the club" that is fiscally ripping their face off in broad daylight. the level of mind control is truly amazing. 2 + 2 = 5 - and they didn't even have to torture these people like winston smith. “The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. From now on depressions will be scientifically created.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, after the passage of the Federal Reserve act 1913.) “This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth.…When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the Money Power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized.…The money power overawes the legislative and executive forces of the Nation and of the States. I have seen these forces exerted during the different stages of this bill.…” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the act which established the Federal Reserve. Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.) “The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. It may not do so immediately, but the trusts want a period of inflation, because all the stocks they hold have gone down... Now, if the trusts can get another period of inflation, they figure they can unload the stocks on the people at high prices during the excitement and then bring on a panic and but them back at low prices.…The people may not know it immediately, but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the Federal Reserve act, Congressman Lindbergh stated this a few years prior to the stock market crash in 1929 which ushered in the Great Depression Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.) ourrepubliconline.com we've had almost 100 years notice... and, just like a stockholm syndrome victim, the average person has fallen in love with their captors that is fiscally r*ping them. it is no accident that "the club's" millions of cases of fraud go unpunished. your kid gets caught with $10 in drugs, he's going to jail. "the club" gets to launder $370 billion and skate. the military gets to grow it, the CIA gets to distribute it, $100s of billions of it... they skate. a dime bag - your kid goes to jail. it is no accident that politicians go to jail for being bribed, but the bankers that bribe them face no charges. it is no accident that "the club" get bailouts and those outside the club get to pay for it - with interest. it is no accident that politicians lie to the people and then lick their special interests left and right once given power. obama was great - the divide between what he says and does is as great as anything america has ever seen. obama outspends bush on war! its liberal! obama has low end government minions reaching inside your children's pants! 95%+ of homeland security is pointed directly at the american people, not some caves in afghanistan. i'm sure it was just an accident that secret surveillance was set up by the Big Capital's Central State - and criminally so. i guess people will have to see the boot print on their neck in the mirror before they will wake up.