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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (104197)5/4/2011 1:26:02 PM
From: TideGlider2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224737
 
So Kenneth, you shoot unarmed people in a combat situation? I am glad he is dead, however, your excuses are incredibly lame.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (104197)5/4/2011 1:36:24 PM
From: chartseer2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224737
 
The new story states the mission was always a planned assassination of osama because he was a threat to US national security.
The resistance to being arrested story has thus been replaced with this newer better version.
Lets not stop now but lets keep going and assassinate all the threats to our nation security.
hey! wait a minute! Aren't the elderly possiblely a threat to our national security with their excessive drain on the national treasury?

citizen chartseer



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (104197)5/4/2011 2:01:05 PM
From: lorne2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224737
 
:-)
Supremes asked to affirm removal of ineligible candidates
Attorney's brief argues high court already has allowed process
May 03, 2011
By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
wnd.com

An attorney fighting in the courts for a determination of Barack Obama's eligibility to be president has petitioned the U.S. Supreme Court for review, citing as support a case the Supremes let stand that established a precedent for state election officials to remove ineligible presidential candidates.

The arguments were submitted today by attorney Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation. He's representing Ambassador Alan Keyes, Wiley S. Drake and Markham Robinson in the case that up until now was being heard in the California state court system.

Kreep, along with attorney Orly Taitz, also represent the same individuals and others in a similar case that has been traveling through the federal court system. In that case, arguments were presented yesterday before the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but a decision has not been released.

Kreep's state court case was rejected by the California Supreme Court earlier this year, opening the path for appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

In his arguments, Kreep cites the decision by California officials in 1968, when the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver to be a presidential candidate. He said the California Secretary of State at the time, Frank Jordan, found Cleaver was only 34 years old, one year short of the 35 years old required by the Constitution for presidential candidates, and removed him from the ballot.

A legal case ensued and the U.S. Supreme Court by denying review affirmed the actions of the secretary of state.

"Similarly, in 1984, the Peace and Freedom Party listed Mr. Larry Holmes as an eligible candidate in the presidential primary," the arguments explained. "When the then SOS checked his eligibility, it was found that Mr. Holmes was, similarly, not eligible, and Mr. Holmes was removed from the ballot.

North Dakota Gov. Thomas Moodie, removed from office when the state Supreme Court found him ineligible

"In this case [Obama], we have a similar situation in that the Democratic Party submitted the name of Obama as a candidate for president," the arguments explain.

The arguments suggest that since the courts have determined they don't have jurisdiction in such eligibility cases, and there is no effective procedure to qualify candidates in Congress, the logical result would be to have election officials, such as the Secretary of State, make such decisions.

And regarding the removal of a sitting official who is ineligible, there is state Supreme Court precedent, the petition argues.

It was in the 1930s in North Dakota when Thomas H. Moodie was "duly elected to the office of governor," the case explains.

Later, "It was discovered that Thomas H. Moodie was not eligible for the position of governor, as he had not resided in the state for a requisite five years before running for office, and, because of that ineligibility, he was removed from office and replaced by the lieutenant governor," it confirmed.

North Dakota's historical archives document the case.

The Democrat was nominated by his party for governor in 1934 and beat his Republican opponent, Lydia Langer.

"As soon as the election was over, there was talk of impeachment, but no charges were filed," the state's archives report. "After Moodie's inauguration on January 7, 1935, it was revealed that he had voted in a 1932 municipal election in Minnesota. In order to be eligible for governor, an individual has to have lived in the state for five consecutive years before the election. The State Supreme Court determined that Governor Moodie was ineligible to serve, and he was removed from office on February 16, 1935," the state reports.

The case there called the "lack of residential qualifications" a "legal disability."

"Here, in like manner, appellants allege that Obama is legally disabled by his citizenship status. Therefore, all votes cast in favor of the Obama/Biden joint and unseverable ticket by the California Electors should be deemed null and void, since the votes were cast for an individual ineligible to run for the office of president of the United States of America."

There is no constitutional provision addressing the process to determine candidates' eligibility, nor does federal law address the question, Kreep wrote. But he said the courts clearly have the authority to rule on the controversy at hand.

"The issue here is not one of determining new election law, but one of whether California was in line both with its own state constitution and the United States Constitution on this issue," the case alleges.

"The issue of whether Obama is eligible to serve as president of the United States is one that has 'significant political overtones,' given that it has a direct relation to the election of the most powerful political office in the Untied States, but it is, nonetheless, an issue which the courts can make a determination on, because the requirements for said office are clearly stated in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and courts routinely decide questions such as at issue in this case."

At the appellate court level in California, the judges appeared to say a judicial review of a president's eligibility is a possibility – after the Electoral College and congressional procedures run their courses.

The results are found in the opinion that upheld a state district court's dismissal of a challenge to the procedures under which California's electors helped install Barack Obama in the Oval Office.

The appellate opinion in the case, which alleges both California Secretary of State Debra Bowen and the state's electors for the Electoral College in the 2008 election failed to verify that Obama is eligible, said the eligibility of candidates "is best left to each party."

And the opinion said should a "president-elect shall have failed to qualify" the responsibility rests with Congress.

But the opinion also suggested a line of responsibility that would include the courts. It warned that should Congress fail to act "in the first instance" – and during the 2008 election there was no action on the part of Congress regarding the issue – "Judicial review – if any – should occur only after the electoral and congressional processes have run their course."

It is Obama's status as a "natural born citizen" that is being questioned. The White House released a copy of a "Certificate of Live Birth" from Hawaii indicating that Obama was born in the state, but it also confirms that his father was a Kenyan national who was not a citizen of the United States.

Under the definitions that applied during the time of the founding of America and the writing of the Constitution, its requirement that a president be a "natural born Citizen" was understood to mean a citizen offspring born in the country of two citizen parents.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (104197)5/4/2011 3:08:48 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie4 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224737
 
Obama is lucky to have you as a White Knight to his damsel in distress.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (104197)5/4/2011 3:17:11 PM
From: TideGlider2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224737
 
Property records give new insights into bin Laden
Pakistani who owned bin Laden's final hideaway lived in compound, aided al-Qaida chief


Pakistani police officers stand guard at the main gate of a house where al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden was caught and killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan on Wednesday, May 4, 2011. The residents of Abbottabad, Pakistan, were still confused and suspicious on Wednesday about the killing of Osama bin Laden, which took place in their midst before dawn on Monday. (AP Photo/Anjum Naveed)
Zarar Khan and Nahal Toosi, Associated Press, On Wednesday May 4, 2011, 3:01 pm
ABBOTTABAD, Pakistan (AP) -- The Pakistani who owned the compound that was Osama bin Laden's final hideaway meticulously bought up adjoining plots of land over two years and once cryptically told a seller that the property he bought for "an uncle" had become very valuable.

The new information that emerged Wednesday provided a new glimpse of one of two key figures who sheltered bin Laden in his last years and whose identities remain one of the biggest mysteries surrounding the al-Qaida chief.

At the same time, Pakistan stepped up its attempt to convince the world that it didn't know where bin Laden was located. They maintain that the al-Qaida leader's ability to hide in Abbottabad, an army town just two hours drive from the capital, was the result of government oversight, not double dealing.

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said Wednesday that anyone who claimed his country hid bin Laden was "color blind."

During a visit to Paris, Gilani said that Pakistan shared intelligence with numerous countries in the fight against terrorism and had "excellent cooperation" with the United States. He said that "if we have failed, it means everybody failed," and an investigation would be ordered.

Many countries have expressed disbelief that bin Laden could have holed up under the Pakistani army's nose, and some U.S. Congressmen have said the U.S. should consider cutting billions of dollars in aid to the country if it turns out Pakistan knew where he was located. U.S. officials have long criticized Pakistan, a key but difficult ally, for failing to target Islamist militants on its territory.

Property records obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday show that a man named Mohammed Arshad bought the land in Abbottabad where bin Laden's compound was built. He bought the adjoining plots in four stages between 2004 and 2005 and paid $48,000.

Qazi Mahfooz Ul Haq, a doctor, told the AP that he sold a plot of land to Arshad in 2005. He said the buyer was a sturdily built man who had a tuft of hair under his lower lip. He spoke with an accent that sounded like it was from Waziristan, a tribal region close to Afghanistan that is home to many al-Qaida operatives.

"He was a very simple, modest, humble type of man" who was "very interested" in buying the land for "an uncle," the doctor said.

The doctor saw Arshad a few times after he sold him the land, he said. On one of those occasions, Arshad cryptically said, "your land is now very costly" -- meaning valuable.

Arshad bought two other plots used for the compound in a less transparent transaction in November 2004, according to a review of the property records.

Raja Imtiaz Ahmed, who previously owned the two plots, said he sold them to a middleman who may have then passed them on to Arshad. He could not recall the middleman's name and was looking for records that would reveal it.

Neighbors of the bin Laden compound said one of the two Pakistani men living in the house who periodically ventured outside went by the name Arshad Khan, and roughly matched the physical description of Mohammed Arshad.

The two names apparently refer to the same man and both names may be fake. But one thing is clear -- bin Laden relied on a small, trusted inner circle as lifelines to the outside who provided for his daily needs such as food and medicine and kept his location secret. And it appears they did not betray him.

Arshad is also suspected as the courier who unwittingly led the Americans to bin Laden after years of painstaking tracking.

U.S. officials have identified the courier as Sheikh Abu Ahmed, a Pakistani man born in Kuwait who went by the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti. They obtained his name from detainees held in secret CIA prison sites in Eastern Europe and vetted it with top al-Qaida operatives like Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The man who periodically ventured outside bin Laden's compound with the suspected courier is believed to be his brother. American officials said the courier and his brother were killed in the American commando raid on the compound early Monday.

The courier was so important to al-Qaida that he was tapped by Mohammed to shepherd the man who was to have been the 20th hijacker through computer training needed for the Sept. 11 attacks, according to newly released documents from Guantanamo Bay interrogations.


The courier trained Maad al-Qahtani at an internet cafe in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi in July 2001 so that he could communicate by email with Mohammed Atta, the Sept. 11 financier and one of the 19 hijackers, who was already in the United States.

But al-Qahtani proved to be a poor student and was ultimately denied entry to the U.S. when he raised suspicion among immigration officials.

The Guantanamo documents also revealed that the courier might have been one of the men who accompanied bin Laden to Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan in December 2001 just weeks before the Taliban's final surrender.

Al-Kuwaiti inadvertently led intelligence officials to bin Laden when he used a telephone last year to talk with someone the U.S. had wiretapped. The CIA then tracked al-Kuwaiti back to the walled compound in Abbottabad, which was located near a Pakistani army academy.

Bin Laden was living in the house for up to six years before U.S. Navy Seals raided the compound and shot the al-Qaida leader.

One of bin Laden's daughters, who says she saw U.S. forces shooting her father, is in Pakistani custody, said a Pakistani intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with the agency's policy.

A total of 10-12 people, including six or seven children, and a woman have been seized from the compound and are all in Pakistani custody, he said. The woman, whose nationality the official would not disclose, is wounded and undergoing treatment at a hospital, he said.

That bin Laden lived in Abbottabad for so long undetected has reignited long-standing suspicions that the country is playing a double game.

Some U.S. lawmakers have suggested that Washington cut or terminate American aid to Pakistan as a result. But others are advising caution -- Pakistan has nuclear arms, is already unstable and the U.S. needs its support to withdraw from Afghanistan.

Mike Rogers, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said the discovery of bin Laden so close to an army installation was "embarrassing to them" but that institutional entities like the army, intelligence service and government likely didn't know about bin Laden's presence.

Meanwhile, Indonesia's defense minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said the country's most wanted terrorist suspect Umar Patek was in Abbottabad to meet Osama bin Laden when he was arrested there early this year. Patek was injured in a raid by Pakistani intelligence agents on a house in Abbottabad on Jan. 25, but news of arrest only leaked out in late March.

A senior American counterterrorism official said Patek's arrest in Abbottabad "appears to have been pure coincidence" and that there were no indications that Patek met with bin Laden in Abbottabad.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (104197)5/5/2011 11:45:13 PM
From: Wayners1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224737
 
Show us the video. Combat troop squad leaders routinely wear helmet cameras. Show us the videos. They won't. A squirt gun was found however!