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To: Xpiderman who wrote (25992)11/15/1997 11:22:00 PM
From: Bill Jackson  Respond to of 1583493
 
Xy; The build to order certainly trims costs, and allows for efficient production. Most oriental production lines have been build to order for 30 years. That is one reason for the Japanese electronic success. If they got an order for 100,000 VCRs and the payment (cash or L/C) they would make 100,000 and ship them. North American producers started the problem of surplus with multi tiered distribution schemes. Even now parts for PCs are caught in that trap. I used to make 286 motherboards from the board up. After a while I could buy the entire finished board from Taiwan for less than the cost of the Intel chip set from distibution. After a while I found that the disty chain was doubling the price on me. This effect has forced many American makers out of business. In Taiwan they would form a buyers group and buy direct from Intel Taiwan. Now fast ship and fast make ro order are forcing a collapse on that scheme. Oriental parts makers have eaten the lunches of many USA distys and forced them to be amenable to lower prices. This has resulted in lower prices and less stocking of parts so lead times on many passives have gone up dramatically.(when they made 50% profit they would keep stock on hand).
One by product of the make to order is the lay off to no order that occurs. The production scheme has to be able to start and stop on a dime. Oriental lines can do this, no worker rights. USA will have a notice period of X? weeks, european plants are dead in the water here. They often have 6 month government layoff notices, and some you cannot layoff at all. So with big orders the lead time goes up to 2-3 years, as they will never get extra workers to make the order as they are stuck with them. This is changing, but this type of change is needed for may European markets to survive.

One interesting by product is less surplus new goods as that loss gets squeezed out of the system. Another is tier collapse, as tiers interfere with efficient feedback loopery.(oscillation) Wallmart was the leader in this. Each sale tracked daily by satellite link to head office and orders planned accordingly.(daily totals each night go to HO, and items are shipped to restock based on those sales and maker orders as well. Made Sam rich. The same thing is now happening to the computer business. Spearheaded by Dell, now everyone is getting on board. Take note, the screwdriver shops can undercut the Dells by 25-35% as he is not that cheap, and the boards and parts are the same or similar to Dells. And beware a Dell has no upgrade path. The motherboard is custom shaped. All you can do is fiddle with the CPU speed, memorym cards and hard drives.(that is enough for many) I like to swap motherboards every 6 months or so, so I buy ISA stuss(Industry Standard Architecture).
So Intel will leave less head room for AMD/Cyrix, and less profit for Intel as well. A pyyric victory. Well if AMD ever makes it to 0.25 and the to .18 and .11 it will still find some room to make older slower items as Intel cedes that market to them.

Bill



To: Xpiderman who wrote (25992)11/16/1997 4:17:00 PM
From: Charlie Tuna  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1583493
 
Missing the BIG PICTURE:
What brand of ram or sram is in your pc is it 60 or 70 ns how about
your graphics card or hd access speed........these details are of
no interest to the next big market the mass pc consumer and the
cpu will also be of no importance.....mainly the price will be
and intel totally missed the boat on this thej pII was not design
to be a commodity chip...for that matter neither was the k6 i
would be nervious owning either one but intel has much farther
to fall .In the next year cpu's for consumer pc's will be around
50 bucks.....or maybe less the fat profit margins will not be there.
When I make up a wish list as far a pc performance goes the number
one item is internet access speed/reliability then
internet applications then internet integration with other devices
like the phone and tv the cpu speed is not a factor....i have a
pentium classic 200 mhz got it last year on deep discount due to
mmx bs which i called correctly and i am not all that smart..../
anyone starting to get the picture hello the world has moved on
it is not a cpu centric market anymore hello hello anyone listening