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To: combjelly who wrote (612840)5/25/2011 3:22:07 AM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1571075
 
"not get beyond that and realize that Israel is a country, not a synagogue."

And a country that isn't part of the US. It is funny how the Right feels that when US and Israeli policy conflicts, the US should change and conform to Israeli demands. We do this for no other country, not even close.


Keep in mind Rs don't come bearing gifts for nothing. Israelis must guard the Christian artifacts in Jerusalem from the Muslim hordes with their lives.

A big problem is that it is in the interest of the US to have a stable and peaceful ME. For Israel, not so much. Following Israel's lead has cost us a lot in both money and people. Despite that, Israel has done nothing for us. They had a perfect opportunity to volunteer to help with Kosovo. Odds were high that the rest of NATO would have declined, but the optics of an offer would have been great. Helping a Muslim population, etc. But they did nothing.

Israelis aren't looking for good will. That was clear after they went after Lebanon like they were a pitbull going after a Chihuahua. The country has swung so far right that it has become fortress Israel. The people who saw another road traveled....have mostly emigrated. The rabid, conservative, zionistic Jews are the ones who are left in control.

Of course, helping out a Muslim population would have driven their crazies even nuttier than they were. Which is probably why they didn't say anything. But we are expected to do their bidding despite groups in opposition here.

Makes no sense.


To understand the senselessness of US foreign policy one need look no further than this thread. Its all here. The attitudes, the misinformation, the myths, the ideology, etc. Have you seen the reaction by pols to Obama's recent ME speech? They were so offended they invited the tinpan Netanyoohoo to speak to Congress and then gave him a standing ovation. They embarrass the country and the president.

I keep hoping/praying the average American will get that s/he's being led down the primrose path. Today's election results where an upstate NY district which has always gone Republican went to the Dem tonite helps fuel that hope. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Sadly, I believe the viability of our future depends on Americans waking up and recognizing that they have been duped. Frankly, its not looking good despite today's election.



To: combjelly who wrote (612840)5/25/2011 7:25:48 AM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571075
 
Israel should have "helped out" in Kosovo even though NATO would have refused such help? Damn Jews! They did nothing, not that we would have let them do anything, of course.

Odds were high that the rest of NATO would have declined,

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Helping a Muslim population, etc. But they did nothing.

Bosnian Muslims find haven in Israel
From SARAH HELM in Jerusalem
Wednesday, 17 February 1993

IN A bizarre twist in Israel's process of 'in-gathering', a lost tribe of Muslims was yesterday welcomed on to Jewish soil. Nearly 100 Muslim refugees from Bosnia arrived to take up Israel's offer of asylum, pending the end of hostilities in their homeland.
.....
independent.co.uk

Of course, helping out a Muslim population would have driven their crazies even nuttier than they were.

It did!

.... The Israeli gesture has caused uproar among Israeli-Arabs and Palestinians ....

Thats the crazies you meant, right?

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Here's an example of Israel helping out Muslims and it drove the crazies (the ones you meant, right?) nutty enough to try to suicide bomb a hospital:

.... A Palestinian woman from Gaza arrives at Soroka Hospital in Beersheba for lifesaving skin treatment for burns over half her body. After the conclusion of her extensive treatment, the woman is invited back for follow-up visits to the outpatient clinic. One day she is caught at the border crossing wearing a suicide belt. Her intention? To blow herself up at the same clinic that saved her life.

What kind of culture leads one to do that?

Sadly, it is a culture infused with resentment and hatred.

It is this culture that underlies the Palestinians' and the broader Arab world's refusal to accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

This is the root of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. It is not about the '67 lines.

And until Israel's enemies come to terms with this reality, a true peace will be impossible.

wizbangblog.com

Then here's another story about crazies in Israel - a crazy mother hopes her baby grows up to murder the people who saved his life:

Mother of baby saved by Israelis wants him to murder them

Ha'aretz reports on a documentary by Channel 10 reporter Shlomi Eldar about a Palestinian Arab baby with a rare disease being treated in Israel.

In Sheba's pediatric hemato-oncology department was Mohammed Abu Mustafa, a four-and-a-half-month-old Palestinian infant. Protruding from his tiny body were pipes attached to big machines. His breathing was labored.

"His days may be numbered. He is suffering from a genetic defect that is causing the failure of his immune system," said the baby's mother, Raida, from the Gaza Strip, when she emerged from the isolation room. "I had two daughters in Gaza," she continued, her black eyes shimmering. "Both died because of immune deficiency. In Gaza I was told all the time that there is no treatment for this and that he is doomed to die. The problem now is how to pay for the [bone marrow] transplant. There is no funding."

"I got to her after all the attempts to find a donation for the transplant had failed," [Eldar] relates. "I understood that I was the baby's last hope, but I didn't give it much of a chance. At the time, Qassam rockets falling on Sderot opened every newscast. In that situation, I didn't believe that anyone would be willing to give a shekel for a Palestinian infant."

He was wrong. Hours after the news item about Mohammed was broadcast, the hospital switchboard was jammed with callers. An Israeli Jew whose son died during his military service donated $55,000, and for the first time the Abu Mustafa family began to feel hopeful. Only then did Eldar grasp the full dramatic potential of the story. He told his editor, Tali Ben Ovadia, that he wanted to continue accompanying the family.

...Nevertheless, this idyllic situation developed into a deep crisis that led to the severance of the relations and what appeared to be the end of the filming. From an innocent conversation about religious holidays, Raida Abu Mustafa launched into a painful monologue about the culture of the shahids - the martyrs - and admitted, during the complex transplant process, that she would like to see her son perpetrate a suicide bombing attack in Jerusalem.

"Jerusalem is ours," she declared. "We are all for Jerusalem, the whole nation, not just a million, all of us. Do you understand what that means - all of us?"

She also explained to Eldar exactly what she had in mind. "For us, death is a natural thing. We are not frightened of death. From the smallest infant, even smaller than Mohammed, to the oldest person, we will all sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem. We feel we have the right to it. You're free to be angry, so be angry."

And Eldar was angry. "Then why are you fighting to save your son's life, if you say that death is a usual thing for your people?" he lashes out in one of the most dramatic moments in the film.

"It is a regular thing," she smiles at him. "Life is not precious. Life is precious, but not for us. For us, life is nothing, not worth a thing. That is why we have so many suicide bombers. They are not afraid of death. None of us, not even the children, are afraid of death. It is natural for us. After Mohammed gets well, I will certainly want him to be a SHAHID. If it's for Jerusalem, then there's no problem. For you it is hard, I know; with us, there are cries of rejoicing and happiness when someone falls as a SHAHID. For us a SHAHID is a tremendous thing."

That was enough to drain Eldar's motivation and dissolve all the compassion he had felt for Raida and Mohammed.

"It was an absolutely terrible rift," he recalls. "After I saw how intensely she fought for her son's life, I could not accept what she said. I had seen her standing for hours, caressing him, warming him up, kissing him. At the time I also had an infant of Mohammed's age at home. I couldn't understand where it came from in her. I was devastated. It was all so paradoxical, too, because just as she was talking about the shahids, two Jewish women entered the room and brought her toys and a stroller as presents."

Raida's confession was totally at odds with Eldar's perception of her until then: "The whole time I accompanied her, I saw a caring mother who was at her baby's bedside night and day. She didn't eat, she lost weight and she cried. I myself saw to it that she ate. I saw her faint when she was informed there was a small chance her son would get well. I saw her when she was told there was no longer a chance, and she stood there and caressed Mohammed, with tears, as though parting from him.

"So I was unable to explain how on the one hand, she fought for her child's life, but at the same time told me that his life is not precious. I never believed I would hear that from her. That's why I decided to stop shooting. I had come to tell a lovely story, not a story about a mother who destines her son to be a SHAHID."

What did you feel when she said that to you?

"That I had been betrayed, that it was a knife in the back. I didn't want to see Raida any more. It also drove me to greater despair. I asked myself, 'Well, is that the conclusion that comes from this story?' But in the end I started filming again. Why? I don't have a good answer; I think it was from curiosity. I wanted to solve the mystery for myself."

elderofziyon.blogspot.com



To: combjelly who wrote (612840)5/25/2011 10:29:48 AM
From: bentway  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571075
 
Israel made sense when they were our proxy in a ME full of Arab Soviet proxies. Now, they make no sense at all. They are a tremendous liability.