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To: arun gera who wrote (75325)6/16/2011 10:55:04 PM
From: TobagoJack3 Recommendations  Respond to of 217662
 
what sorts of dna dominates american math competes maa.org ? the mq sort?

can we say extinction ?
;0)

en.wikipedia.org

China and Russia are the only nations that have achieved an all-members-gold IMO multiple times:
China: 10 times in total, in 1992, 1993, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010;
Russia: 2 times in 2002 and 2008.

math competes tells more about complexity of mind than most competes, as math is language-independent



To: arun gera who wrote (75325)6/17/2011 3:28:12 AM
From: clochard  Respond to of 217662
 
Being intelligent in some countries has a negative effect on one's career :-D



To: arun gera who wrote (75325)6/17/2011 5:27:44 AM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 217662
 
It's a matter of measurement Arun. There are intelligence researchers who measure these things. < how are you so confident about the distribution of the "intelligence" genotype among one population versus the others when many gaps, even if measurable, can be explained by culture, aspirations, opportunity, and history? >

That's an old line "Oh, it's all just cultural bias". No it's not. It's politically incorrect to say some things. Such as the Earth goes around the sun, rather than the sun going around the Earth.

30 years ago, I was wanting BP Oil to open research centres in China to hire supersonic smart people who would be delighted to work for a fraction of the extortionate prices paid to Germans of no particular merit and BP Sunbury researchers of questionable ability and motivation. It was obvious that hordes of people were underemployed in China needing only to be turned loose and educated a bit and paid somewhat.

Now that many NZ [and USA] schools have swarms of Made in China migrants coming out tops, my theory has been well proven.

That was quite predictable and a demonstrated ability in chess wasn't necessary to predict it: <Then came along Vishawanath Anand, a child prodigy, blessed with good DNA. Now there are 18 grandmasters. So has the gene pool in India altered so much in the last generation? > Just as it was easy to predict that there were hordes of underemployed supersonic people in China though it was not evident in the midst and postscript of Mao's maelstrom.

You might even be able to find my posts from years ago about finding the amazing DNA lurking in north west India [and of course elsewhere, but ground zero somewhere there just as blue eyes ground zero is in Iran but you can find blue eyes elsewhere these days], which was before your chess champions showed up.

If looking for gold, one must go where the gold seams are. They are not uniformly spread out everywhere.

This is not my observation: < Strangely, Indians in general when in India are very careless about spellings - ask anybody who has outsourced any work to India > Indian english is pedantic, and somewhat archaic [from about the 1950s] with formal form and staid style. Just as the Indian movies don't go for violent surrealism and gynaecological examination as seen in the lowest common denominator world of anything goes, english is still a rational linquistic tradition.

Finding enough educated Indians to do the outsourced work might be a problem so english spelling might be an issue.

<<So are we seeing a huge DNA mutation in some Indian origin kids in USA who are suddenly becoming spelling bee champions? I guess those genes were dormant for many generations and suddenly become alive > > No. If you examine their parents and grand parents, you'll find comparable talents - not necessarily achievements but the raw material of such intelligence. As I mentioned, when busy picking rice to survive, it's hard to demonstrate talent for spelling bees. All that can be done is pass on the genes and hope for the opportunity some time. Similarly, you wouldn't find many theories of relativity being produced in Dachau concentration camp, but the talent was there.

But the truly supersonic smarts are not to be found in northwest India - it's when that component is combined with the bedouin and across that region. The haplotypes have been hunted. There are some SI posts somewhere linking to them.

China is an also-ran. But there could well be a ground zero lurking there somewhere ... ready to really show how it's done. Remember, this discussion was about patents in China, counting them, and quality versus quantity. It wasn't about Indian children winnning spelling bees in California.

Mqurice



To: arun gera who wrote (75325)6/27/2011 3:18:58 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Respond to of 217662
 
Arun, for you really [and to poke fun at TJ's dog eat dog, human eat dog Maoistic Maelstrom] Message 27453171

I am not at all surprised that India is low on the ranking: <Kaspersky: Based on the number of programmed viruses, we are in third place behind China and Latin America. Unfortunately, Russians are also among the most sophisticated and advanced players in criminal cyber activity. These days, they invent viruses and complex Trojan programs on demand. They launder money through the Internet. However, the largest number of harmful programs are written in Chinese. This means that they can be coming directly from the People's Republic, but also from Singapore, Malaysia and even California, where there are Mandarin-speaking hackers.

SPIEGEL: Surprisingly enough, very few viruses seem to be coming from India even though it's a rising star in the IT world.

Kaspersky: In general, the crime level in India is low. It's probably a matter of the mentality. India and China have roughly the same population, the same computer density, a similar standard of living and similar religious roots. But China spits out viruses like they were coming off an assembly line."
>

That difference is likely a cultural one, rather than genetic [for the most part] because corruption is easily found in India.

Mqurice