To: arun gera who wrote (75325 ) 6/17/2011 5:27:44 AM From: Maurice Winn 1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 217662 It's a matter of measurement Arun. There are intelligence researchers who measure these things. < how are you so confident about the distribution of the "intelligence" genotype among one population versus the others when many gaps, even if measurable, can be explained by culture, aspirations, opportunity, and history? > That's an old line "Oh, it's all just cultural bias". No it's not. It's politically incorrect to say some things. Such as the Earth goes around the sun, rather than the sun going around the Earth. 30 years ago, I was wanting BP Oil to open research centres in China to hire supersonic smart people who would be delighted to work for a fraction of the extortionate prices paid to Germans of no particular merit and BP Sunbury researchers of questionable ability and motivation. It was obvious that hordes of people were underemployed in China needing only to be turned loose and educated a bit and paid somewhat. Now that many NZ [and USA] schools have swarms of Made in China migrants coming out tops, my theory has been well proven. That was quite predictable and a demonstrated ability in chess wasn't necessary to predict it: <Then came along Vishawanath Anand, a child prodigy, blessed with good DNA. Now there are 18 grandmasters. So has the gene pool in India altered so much in the last generation? > Just as it was easy to predict that there were hordes of underemployed supersonic people in China though it was not evident in the midst and postscript of Mao's maelstrom. You might even be able to find my posts from years ago about finding the amazing DNA lurking in north west India [and of course elsewhere, but ground zero somewhere there just as blue eyes ground zero is in Iran but you can find blue eyes elsewhere these days], which was before your chess champions showed up. If looking for gold, one must go where the gold seams are. They are not uniformly spread out everywhere. This is not my observation: < Strangely, Indians in general when in India are very careless about spellings - ask anybody who has outsourced any work to India > Indian english is pedantic, and somewhat archaic [from about the 1950s] with formal form and staid style. Just as the Indian movies don't go for violent surrealism and gynaecological examination as seen in the lowest common denominator world of anything goes, english is still a rational linquistic tradition. Finding enough educated Indians to do the outsourced work might be a problem so english spelling might be an issue. <<So are we seeing a huge DNA mutation in some Indian origin kids in USA who are suddenly becoming spelling bee champions? I guess those genes were dormant for many generations and suddenly become alive > > No. If you examine their parents and grand parents, you'll find comparable talents - not necessarily achievements but the raw material of such intelligence. As I mentioned, when busy picking rice to survive, it's hard to demonstrate talent for spelling bees. All that can be done is pass on the genes and hope for the opportunity some time. Similarly, you wouldn't find many theories of relativity being produced in Dachau concentration camp, but the talent was there. But the truly supersonic smarts are not to be found in northwest India - it's when that component is combined with the bedouin and across that region. The haplotypes have been hunted. There are some SI posts somewhere linking to them. China is an also-ran. But there could well be a ground zero lurking there somewhere ... ready to really show how it's done. Remember, this discussion was about patents in China, counting them, and quality versus quantity. It wasn't about Indian children winnning spelling bees in California. Mqurice