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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Land Shark who wrote (33907)	6/22/2011 1:17:59 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 36921

My son's computer engineering professors who know about computer models say AGW is total bullshit and the models are also bullshit

To: Land Shark who wrote (33907)	6/22/2011 1:23:57 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 36921

Come on, come right out and tell us the IPCC is lying below: ..... In the final paragraph of this critical section of the AR4 WG1 Chapter 8 page 52 the IPCC states that a number of diagnostic tests [of the models] have been proposed, but few of them have been applied to the models currently in use. ..... The 2007 Report Chapter 8, page 52 states the diagnostic tests to assess confidence in feedbacks simulated by different models have "yet to be developed." ..... Of 16 climate forcings identified by the IPCC, only 2 are stated by the IPCC to have a "high level" of understanding ...

To: Land Shark who wrote (33907)	6/22/2011 1:27:30 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 36921

Model validation is performed by the model authors, results are published. Show us! The validation results are published so you can show us. How do they validate their models? Against what? We know they can't validate them against the historical record because the models predictions are so wrong.

To: Land Shark who wrote (33907)	6/22/2011 2:24:27 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 36921

Sea Level Rising? Gore Buys Multi-Million Dollar Oceanfront Mansion Written By: James M. Taylor Publication date: 04/30/2010 Publisher: The Heartland Institute -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the benefits of federalism is citizens can vote with their feet in choosing a state whose governance matches their world view. One of the benefits for Al Gore earning countless millions of dollars selling global warming alarm is Gore’s ability to buy property anywhere, and vote on what is and isn’t an imminent environmental crisis based on his real estate selection. Al Gore may tell gullible followers that rising sea level threatens to swamp global coastlines, but his recent purchase of an $8 million oceanfront mansion in tony Montecito, California, tells another story altogether. Prudent property investors do not purchase multi-million dollar oceanfront mansions if they truly expect them to be underwater soon. But Gore’s choice of oceanfront property is just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. According to the Montecito Journal, Gore’s new mansion sprawls over 1.5 acres (“we all need to reduce our ecological footprint”); contains fountains, a spa, and a swimming pool (even though Southern California is water starved, and alarmists tell us global warming will cause more severe drought and water restrictions); and contains six – count them, six – fireplaces (because burning carbon-intensive wood in only five fire places at once simply won’t do when entertaining Hollywood friends). When Enron executives touted their climate-friendly energy production while simultaneously bailing out of the company on golden parachutes, people should have taken notice. When Al Gore tells Americans we must stave off climate catastrophe by purchasing renewable power and carbon offset credits from companies he owns, and at the same time Gore purchases an oceanfront mansion with over-the-top water usage and half a dozen fireplaces, people should again take notice. heartland.org

To: Land Shark who wrote (33907)	6/22/2011 4:20:58 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36921

<Are you an expert on climate models???> And evolution, FDA process, yada, yada, yada.... he's doing his same old dance he did on evolution... taking out of context statements by those who believe X is true and trying to pretend that means X isn't true. On evolution he quoted S. Gould on the "scientific aspect" of the work of Haekel in order to throw out the entire field of developmental biology and its overwhelming support for evolution. His comments on evolution are quite hilarious, I'm not surprised he's off on other threads trying to re-invent himself as someone who knows SOMETHING about SOMETHING! LOL He is a mental midget and tricks only himself. DAK