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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (34168)	6/29/2011 1:33:18 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

These guys are working light years ahead of Joe blow. and yet, their models are still a steaming pile of crap. And they feel the need to manipulate data and then to hide their methods and data so others cannot verify (or debunk). Not exactly the behavior of a scientist. Which one of those guys was it that said that he didn't want to share his models and data with other scientists because they just wanted to prove him wrong? LOL! Yup, those guys really embrace the scientific process. They figured out the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and entanglement. They live in a quantum universe. No one else does. Oh really? who told you that? them? Climitology is a matter of figuring out how various gases interact in the atmosphere and on earth. If what you say is true, someday you will figure out why it is completely lacking from the start.

To: koan who wrote (34168)	6/29/2011 9:17:19 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

So you had to come see the talking fence posts for yourself, eh? Greenland ice melts most in half-century: US By Slim Allagui \| AFP news.yahoo.com Greenland's ice sheet melted the most it has in over a half century last year, US government scientists said Tuesday in one of a series of "unmistakable" signs of climate change. "The world continues to warm," the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said in a briefing paper for reporters. "Multiple indicators, same bottom-line conclusion: consistent and unmistakable signal from the top of the atmosphere to the bottom of the oceans." An annual climate survey, which includes work by scientists from 45 countries, said that ice sheet in Greenland melted at its highest rate since at least 1958, when similar data first became available. Arctic sea ice shrank to its third smallest area on record, while the world's alpine glaciers shrank for the 20th straight year, the study said. In line with previous studies, the survey said that 2010 was also one of the hottest years on record. Last year was either tied for the hottest or the second hottest on record, depending on methodology. But all methodologies used showed the temperature to be at least 0.9 degrees Fahrenheit (0.5 Celsius) above the average recorded in the three decades through 1990. The survey noted that 2010 was exceptional for its extreme events, including a deadly heat wave in Russia, floods in Pakistan that displaced more than 20 million people and record snowfall in several US cities. A series of studies have voiced alarm at the rapid pace of melting in the Arctic Ocean, which could lead to a rise in sea levels that threatens low-lying coastal areas and islands. The Oslo-based Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program said in May that warming in the Arctic was on track to lift sea levels by up to 5.3 feet (1.6 meters) by 2100, a far steeper jump than predicted a few years ago. Many environmentalists have been disappointed at the pace of diplomacy to fight climate change, with few expecting a major agreement at the next major UN-led talks opening in South Africa in late November. Former US vice president Al Gore recently accused President Barack Obama of failing to show leadership on climate change, saying that poor coverage of the media had given credibility to skeptics of global warming.