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To: koan who wrote (34449)7/3/2011 12:47:27 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 36921
 
you are an okiophobe

Whittle: Hollywood’s Hatred of American Culture

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To: koan who wrote (34449)7/3/2011 2:26:59 PM
From: average joe  Respond to of 36921
 
To imagine the thoughts of university ensconced atheists have anything to do with reality takes a tremendous leap of faith. What do you call your new religion? Is it private or will you be looking for public hand outs?



To: koan who wrote (34449)7/3/2011 3:12:37 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36921
 
Here's what your son-in-law is up against.

Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and a nonscientist climate change skeptic. Critics have described him as a politically-motivated college dropout with no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. He runs the climate sceptic site wattsupwiththat.com

Watts attended Purdue University from 1975 to 1982. He dropped out of college without a degree. A direct query to the University revealed that he did not obtain a qualification from the university.[1]

In the past, Watts has refused to say whether he graduated, and a number of direct queries to Watts to find out if he graduated from college were rebuffed.[2]

Credentials held
Watts held an American Meteorological Society Seal of Approval (a discontinued credential that does not require a bachelor's or higher degree in atmospheric science or meteorology from an accredited college/university)[6] with a status of "retired".[7]

Credentials not held
Some online lists incorrectly refer to Watts as "AMS Certified"[8], but this is incorrect; the American Meteorological Society reserves its "AMS Certified" designation for its Certified Broadcast Meteorologists and Certified Consulting Meteorologists[9], and Watts posesses neither certification.[10],[11]

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Who’s your expert? How peer-reviewed research differs from rhetoric by climate science deniers
By Climate Guest Blogger on Jul 3, 2011 at 9:50 am

A jury of one’s peers should assess scientific claims.

Here are two, related pieces from The Conversation, “Who’s your expert? The difference between peer review and rhetoric” and “Climate change denial and the abuse of peer review.”

First, Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, Director of the Global Change Institute, submits some climate “sceptics” to peer-review and finds them wanting.

Peer review is the basis of modern scientific endeavour. It underpins research and validates findings, theories and data.

Submitting scientists’ claims to peer review is a straightforward way to assess their credibility.

The Climate Commission was established by the Australian government to help build consensus around climate change.

Chief Commissioner Professor Tim Flannery handed the first major report, The Critical Decade to Julia Gillard on May 23.

[Joe Romm: See Australian Climate Commission says act now or “the global climate may be so irreversibly altered we will struggle to maintain our present way of life.”]

Peer-reviewed by internationally respected scientists, the report summarises key evidence and conclusions regarding climate change for Australia and the world.

Rising temperatures, changing rainfall, threats to human health and agriculture, and deteriorating ecosystems are carefully documented from the scientific literature. The report makes compelling reading and a solid case for rapid action on greenhouse gases such as CO2.

But are all experts really in agreement with the Climate Commission’s report?

Enter an alternative group of experts.

Writing in Quadrant Online Bob Carter, David Evans, Stewart Franks and Bill Kininmonth stated, “The scientific advice contained within The Critical Decade is an inadequate, flawed and misleading basis on which to set national policy.”

Carter and his colleagues dispute the major findings and assert that “independent scientists are confident overall that there is no evidence of global warming” or unusual “sea-level rise”.

According to them “there is nothing unusual about the behaviour of mountain glaciers, Arctic sea ice or the Greenland or West Antarctic ice sheets.”

You would be forgiven for concluding that firm action on carbon dioxide might not be warranted if the experts can’t agree.

But is there really so much scientific dispute over the facts of climate change?

One way to resolve this is to ask a simple question. If Carter and company hold different views to those expressed in the majority of the peer-reviewed, scientific literature, then have they submitted their ideas to independent and objective peer-review?

This is a critical process that sorts opinion and rhetoric from scientific knowledge and consensus.

If the answer is “yes”, there are legitimate grounds for concern over the report’s conclusion.

If the answer is “no”, the arguments against the Climate Commission’s report fall away as unsubstantiated opinion.

The Web of Science is maintained by Thomson Reuters and covers 10,000 journals across the sciences, social sciences, arts and humanities.

You can search this database for papers by different authors within reputable, peer-reviewed journals.

I used the Web of Science to see if Carter, Evans, Franks and Kininmonth were legitimate experts in the areas in which they claim superior knowledge.

Given such strong opinions, you would expect that the four individuals would have published extensively in the peer-reviewed, scientific literature on subjects like climate change, oceanography, and atmospheric physics.

After all, if they have such strong opinions, then surely these ideas have been treated like all other valid scientific ideas?

The Climate Commission and its scientific advisory panel survive this type of scrutiny extremely well. For example, Climate Commissioner Professor Lesley Hughes has at least 39 peer-reviewed publications since 2000.

Many of these articles focus on the terrestrial ecosystems on climate change, an area for which Professor Hughes is internationally recognised.

Similar conclusions can be made for Professors Will Steffen, Matt England, David Karoly, Andrew Pitman and the others associated with the Climate Commission.

Searching for peer-reviewed articles by “R. M. Carter”, however, revealed plenty of peer-reviewed articles on unrelated topics within geology.

Only one paper turns up that could be remotely related to climate change.

This paper, however, was found to be seriously flawed by an internationally recognised group of Earth scientists.

This brings us back to zero for the number of credible papers published by Carter on climate change in the Web of Science.

Searching for articles by David Evans and William Kininmonth revealed no peer-reviewed scientific literature that tests their claim that climate change is not happening.

Lastly, searching for peer-reviewed papers from Stewart Franks yielded a number of articles (>50) on hydrology and climate variability since 2000.

None of these peer-reviewed articles presented data or tested the idea that climate change is or is not happening, or any of the other “errors” that Carter and his co-authors claim are associated with the conclusions of the Climate Commission.

The number of articles by Franks since 2000 that involve peer review of his claims that climate change is not happening is also zero.

So the number of peer-reviewed papers that adequately expose the ideas of Carter and co-authors to the scientific peer-review system on the climate change issue is 0, 0, 0 and 0.

We are left, then, with the observation that the Climate Commission’s report, peer-reviewed and assessed by scientists with appropriate expertise, is being challenged by four individuals who refer to websites and blogs and who have not had their core claims about climate change tested in the peer-reviewed scientific literature.

Don’t get me wrong, discussion is important, but on serious matter such as climate change, let us hope we listen carefully to the experts and not the unsubstantiated opinions of those that are not.

– Ove Hoegh-Guldberg

People can get pretty riled up about hockey sticks.

In this second post from The Conversation, Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, Australian Professorial Fellow, Cognitive Science Laboratories, holds “sceptics” accountable for their subversion of the peer review process.

Climate change denial and the abuse of peer review
On 20 April 2010, a BP oil rig exploded in the Gulf of Mexico, killing 11 workers and creating the largest oil spill in history.

When President Obama sought to hold the corporation accountable by creating a $20B damage fund, this provoked Republican Congressman from Texas Joe Barton to issue a public apology.

An apology not to the people affected by the oil spill … but to BP.

In a peculiar inversion of ethics, Barton called the President’s measures a “shakedown”, finding it a “tragedy in the first proportion” that a corporation should be held accountable for the consequences of its actions.

What does a Congressman’s inverted morality have to do with climate denial?

Quite a bit.

In a similar inversion of normal practice, most climate deniers avoid scrutiny by sidestepping the peer-review process that is fundamental to science, instead posting their material in the internet or writing books.

Books may be impressively weighty, but remember that they are printed because a publisher thinks they can make money, not necessarily because the content has scientific value.

Fiction sells, even if dressed up as science.

During peer review, by contrast, commercial interests are removed from the publication decision because journals are often published by not-for-profit professional organizations. Even if private publishers are involved, they make their profit primarily via university subscriptions, and universities subscribe to journals based on their reputation, rather than based on individual publication decisions.

Very occasionally a contrarian paper does appear in a peer-reviewed journal, which segments of the internet and the media immediately hail as evidence against global warming or its human causes, as if a single paper somehow nullifies thousands of previous scientific findings.

What are we to make of that handful of contrarian papers? Do they make a legitimate if dissenting contribution to scientific knowledge?

In some cases, perhaps.

But in many other cases, troubling ethical questions arise from examination of the public record surrounding contrarian papers.

For example, in 2003 the reputable journal Climate Research published a paleoclimatological analysis that concluded, in flat contradiction to virtually all existing research, that the 20th century was probably not the warmest of the last millennium. This paper, partially funded by the American Petroleum Institute, attracted considerable public and political attention because it seemingly offered relief from the need to address climate change.

The paper also engendered some highly unusual fall-out.

First, three editors of Climate Research resigned in protest over its publication, including the incoming editor-in-chief who charged that “…some editors were not as rigorous in the review process as is otherwise common.”

This highly unusual mass resignation was followed by an even more unusual public statement from the publisher that acknowledged flaws in the journal’s editorial process.

Three editorial resignations and a publisher’s acknowledgement of editorial flaws are not standard scientific practice and call for further examination of the authors and the accepting editor.

The first author of this paper, Dr Willie Soon, is an astrophysicist by training. In U.S. congressional testimony, he identified his “training” in paleoclimatology as attendance at workshops, conferences, and summer schools. (The people who teach such summer schools, actual climate scientists, published a scathing rebuttal of Soon’s paper.)

Undaunted, Dr Soon has since become an expert on polar bears, publishing a paper that accused the U.S. Geological Survey of being “unscientific” in its reports about the risks faced by polar bears from climate change.

Most recently, Dr Soon has become an expert on mercury poisoning, using the Wall Street Journal as a platform to assuage fears about mercury-contaminated fish because, after all, “mercury has always existed naturally in Earth’s environment.”

Lest one wonder what links paleoclimatology, Arctic ecology, and environmental epidemiology, the answer is not any conventional area of academic expertise but ideology.

As Professor Naomi Oreskes and historian Erik Conway have shown in their insightful book, Merchants of Doubt, the hallmark of organized denial is that the same pseudo-experts emerge from the same shadowy “think” tanks over and over to rail against what they call “junk science”.

Whether it is the link between smoking and lung cancer, between mercury and water poisoning, or between carbon emissions and climate change, ideology inverts facts and ethics whenever overwhelming scientific evidence suggests the need to regulate economic activity.

So what of the editor who accepted the flawed Climate Research paper, Dr Chris de Freitas of Auckland?

Later, De Freitas co-authored a paper in 2009 that some media outlets heralded as showing that climate change was down to nature.

One of the authors, Adjunct academic Bob Carter from James Cook University, claimed that “our paper confirms what many scientists already know: which is that no scientific justification exists for emissions regulation.” Welcome news indeed, at least for the coal industry, but does the paper support this conclusion?

No.

For starters, the 2009 paper by McLean, de Freitas, and Carter did not address long-term global warming at all.

It discussed the association between ocean currents and air temperature — in particular the time lag between the warm El Niño current and the ensuing increase in temperature.

Indeed, the article does not even contain the words “climate change” except in a citation of the IPCC, and its only conceivable connection with climate change arises from the speculative phrase “ … and perhaps recent trends in global temperature …” in the final sentence.

It appears ethically troubling to derive strong statements about emissions regulations from such a tentative clause in one’s final sentence in a paper on quite a different issue.

Such statements appear even more troubling if one considers paragraph 14 of the paper, which reads, “to remove the noise, the absolute values were replaced with derivative values based on variations. Here the derivative is the 12-month running average subtracted from the same average for data 12 months later.”

What happens to data if successive annual values are subtracted from each other? This mathematically removes any linear time trend.

In other words, temperatures could have doubled every other year and it would have escaped detection by the authors.

This removal of the trend did not escape detection by the scientific community, however, and the published rebuttal of this “it’s-all-natural” paper was as swift and devastating as it was for Dr Soon’s.

To remove the linear trend from temperature data in a paper that does not address climate change, and to then claim that nature is responsible for global warming and there is no scientific basis for emissions regulations smacks of an inversion of scientific ethics and practice.

Let us return to Congressman Barton.

Before apologizing to BP, not for the nearly $3,000,000 he has received in contributions from the oil, gas, and energy industries, but for President Obama seeking accountability from the corporation, Mr Barton also sponsored a contrived investigation of the famed “hockeystick” paper by Professor Michael Mann and colleagues.

The hockeystick is the iconic graph that shows the sky-rocketing temperatures of the last few decades in comparison to the relatively constant temperatures during the preceding centuries. The U.S. National Academy of Sciences affirmed the basic conclusions of Professor Mann, as have numerous other papers published during the last decade.

Mr. Barton, however, relied on a report by a certain Professor Wegman, who claimed to have identified statistical flaws in the analysis underlying the original hockeystick. (Even if correct, that criticism has no bearing on the overall conclusion of Professor Mann’s paper or on the numerous independent hockeysticks produced by other researchers.)

Professor Wegman subsequently published part of his report in the journal Computational Statistics and Data Analysis. Although normally a peer-reviewed journal, in this instance the paper was accepted a few days after submission, in July 2007, in an especially ironic twist as the paper tried to cast doubt on the quality of peer review in climate research.

Alas, the paper’s lifetime was cut tragically short when it was officially withdrawn by the publisher a few weeks ago.

Why?

The paper by Wegman and colleagues was officially withdrawn because of substantial plagiarism. Conforming to the typical pattern of inversions, Wegman also appears to have plagiarized large parts of his initial hockeystick critique for Congressman Barton, while additionally distorting and misrepresenting many of the conclusions of the cited authors.

We have examined just the tip of an iceberg of inversion of normal standards of ethics and scientific practice.

These multiple departures from common scientific practice are not isolated incidents — on the contrary, they represent a common thread that permeates all of climate denial.

Because climate denial is just that: denial, not scepticism.

Science is inherently sceptical, and peer-review is the instrument by which scientific scepticism is pursued.

Circumventing or subverting that process does not do justice to the public’s need for scientific accountability.

At a time when Greenland is losing around 9,000 tonnes of ice every second — all of which contributes to sea level rises – it is time to hold accountable those who invert common standards of science, decency, and ethics in pursuit of their agenda to delay action on climate change.

– Stephan Lewandowsky

thinkprogress.org



To: koan who wrote (34449)7/3/2011 5:38:44 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Respond to of 36921
 
Koan, part of your problem is that you attribute motives to me that I don't have, and then inflict stereotypes on me that don't fit. If you did that to Negroes, you would rapidly find yourself in an embarrassing position.

Being a Negro doesn't mean they want to destroy the planet. You aren't reasoning, you are conducting racist tribal warfare. That's monkey mania.

No, I don't work in the oil industry. I did during half of the 1970s and during the 1980s. Just as you probably think your son in law didn't sign an oath to always lie and cheat and do anything to protect and defend the constitution and cash flow of the Global Warming Industry, I was never required to sign an equivalent oath in BP Oil.

On the contrary, I was given a free rein to come up with good ideas to make money for BP.

One of the changes I wanted BP to make was to think not so much about producing petrol and diesel as cheaply as possible but to make money by satisfying what motorists and electorates want. Motorists want bang for buck in their motoring and electorates [which include motorists] want clean air and food supplies [no lead on the lettuce].

The last conversation I had with my boss's boss Hans den Ouden in BP in Antwerp where the world HQ of the commercial division was based was him telling me that BP was moving to what I had been promoting. I laughed [with some cynicism] because it was such an effort to get any changes [like getting a supertanker to change course] and it still seemed unlikely. But he assured me that was the case. Sure enough, BP through the 1990s was trying to and did effect some of the changes I had suggested.

My argument was that BP was in a position to supply products to meet any environmental requirements enforced by politicians on behalf of electorates and profit from those requirements. Competitors were less able to do so because of capital, technological talent, market share size and other constraints.

For example, requiring higher quality petrol [less aromatics, carcinogenic benzene or lead and with better performance] would make vehicles more efficient, better performing, it could be sold at higher margins giving greater profits while improving exhaust quality, engine life and efficiency.

Europe had been planning to have a single Eurograde 95 octane fuel. My argument was that some high end motorists would rather have 98 turbo go petrol and others would prefer to save money and have an A to B low cost 91 octane. By giving more motorists what they wanted rather than a lowest common denominator 95, BP's profits would increase, motorists would be happier, and fuel would be used more efficiently.

You are expressing ignorant prejudice: <But you are being irresponsible to the kids who follow us.

Just because you don't want to believe the truth. You are in the oil industry right? They don't want to stop polluting. It might cost them some money.

You are saying to hell with the kids and being a very irresponsible citizen of earth.
>

Ignorant stupid prejudice is not persuasive. Making ridiculous comments as you do [and Wharfie and the others] shows the paucity of your thinking.

Your son in law is much more likely to be signed to an oath of allegiance because the Global Warming Industry has to believe in the CO2 Truth Revealed because the whole cash flow they depend on fails if it's given up as nothing to worry about.

99% of your son in laws colleagues agreeing is called an appeal to authority. It's mob rule. I've never been amenable to that. Various times [and I quoted one just the other day - regarding non Hodgkins lymphoma] I have found the so-called experts [all 99% of them] are wrong and I am right. It takes some reading, learning and thinking, but that's easy and fun. It does require good scientific foundations to be able to 'get up to speed' but I find it's always doable.

When the arguments in defence of the 99% go along the lines of "trust us, we are clever and you are not" that is the biggest of red flags that the fig leaf they are wearing is concealing nothing to write home about.

So far, your son in law is quite unimpressive if the argument that sticks in your mind is "everyone is saying it, so it must be true". And Chu is also starting from a negative position by saying such an absurd thing as "we are boiling the planet". A quick look at the ocean and snow all over the place shows the planet is not boiling. The few places where there is boiling is due to volcanic action heating groundwater.

I happen to have several offspring and grand children and am very proud of how much better the world is and their lives [and hordes of others] will be thanks to my efforts. <You are saying to hell with the kids and being a very irresponsible citizen of earth. > So you think.

<You are in the oil industry right? They don't want to stop polluting. It might cost them some money. > That tended to be the thinking. But I turned that around. I explained that it's highly profitable to sell whatever the electorate and motorists want. If they want high quality petrol [my hobby horse] then invest in refineries and sell it to them and develop zeolite catalysts to produce it from methane. BP is in the business of capital investment in technological fields where BP has excellent talent. Making money requires investment. BP was in a position to invest $billions, unlike little refiners who could go broke if they couldn't meet more stringent emissions rules and fuel quality. That would increase BP's market share and profitability.

BP could invest in photovoltaics, and did. And fusion research. And zeolites and anything. BP isn't and wasn't just an oil company.

The question is, are you a prisoner of your ignorance and prejudices? I guess yes.

It would be interesting to see if your son in law has any reasoning he could bring to bear. So far, it's a big zero. Why don't you invite him to post here? Ask him what the job prospects would be for a scientist who decided that the CO2 theory wasn't matching reality and was in fact totally wrong.

Mqurice