To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (76288 ) 7/12/2011 2:00:45 PM From: Maurice Winn 1 Recommendation Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 217927 Not stirring. I seriously see no problem with leaving it to drivers to decide for themselves what level of attention they need to apply at what time. Sometimes full attention is needed. Other times nearly no attention is needed. It all depends on the situation. Punish people whose vehicle does something wrong such as failing to give way, bumping into another vehicle, driving inadvertently up onto a kerb or otherwise failing to properly maintain control of the vehicle, driving too slowly, obstructing cross traffic, driveways, accelerating when somebody is overtaking, failing to keep left [or right]. If people can tune the radio, talk on a cellphone, smoke a cigarette, and do other things while driving, then that's up to them. Some people can't even keep the car going properly without trying to do anything else at all. Drivers who fail to properly control their vehicles should be punished and banned if needs be. Normally, the cost of motoring will drive them off the road [replacing their and other vehicles gets too costly]. Fining them, gaoling them and using their body parts for organ transplants would solve the problem too. I'm not sure I explained the speed limit on rural roads properly. In NZ, there is an "open road' standard 100 kph speed limit on twisty windy little roads where anything more than 40 kph is death. Those roads do not have a speed limit in any way that matters. People are legally allowed to drive at the speed they think is right. They still have to not crash into oncoming traffic, by being able to stop in half the clear distance ahead and otherwise maintaining control. They are not legally allowed to treat them as rally tracks and drive dangerously. There is a specific charge "dangerous driving" which applies irrespective of speed limits. The victim angle is that the illegal driver should turn over all assets and future income to the victim until suitable compensation is achieved. If the victim doesn't survive, then to their estate or to the government in the absence of an estate or next of kin. If they can't come up with money, their kidneys and other organs are normally valuable. There you are, victims addressed. <You never address the victim angle.. > As the crash statistics are now showing, maintaining attention is not easily forced by leglislation. Banning cellphones means drivers inadvertently nod off to sleep instead, or look away a little too long. The safest driving is that which is quick enough to require interested attention to maintain control and avoid incoming objects [be they children, tractors from farm gates, dogs, whatever] . These days, inattention is the most common cause of crashes now [in NZ]. Boredom is the problem. Mqurice