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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (165908)	7/13/2011 8:05:00 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541582

Thanks for the links, Tom. They're interesting. But not quite what I had in mind. There are always intellectuals or politicians who are outside parties and thus appeal to folk in more than one. Naomi Klein is a classic in that regard. I don't know the other guy but he sounds like the same. I'm thinking more of the populism of the early portions of the twentieth century that was class based. It broke up on the rocks of southern racism. C. Vann Woodward's wonderful book on the Georgia senator, name escapes me as I type, is, to my mind, the classic treatment of that shift. I, quite frankly, don't see Naomi Klein and Ron Paul forming a movement together. Hanging out with one another, sharing grievances about Bush or Obama? Yes. But not starting a social and/or political movement together. Nor do I see enough indication of a popular sentiment to do so. I would not, on the other hand, be surprised to see a definitive split in the Republican party between the Tea Party types and the old guard. It could happen as early as this year's primary races if the Tea Party types poll well enough to show genuine strength but still look as if they might lose the primary nomination to Romney.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (165908)	7/13/2011 10:16:35 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541582

ROFL 2,361 followers? The guy who wanted to turn his house in to a pirate ship got more than a million. Most left "populists" see the baggers as tools of the oligarchs- and the wealthy- both individuals and businesses- who'd like to pay even less for the services and infrastructure the poor baggers are already sucking down, or will need shortly (but don't realize comes from "the government". Tools being the operative word here. You don't need to follow these folks long on SI to see them post about the government services they get now, or hope to receive. Personally, I'd like to see them all experience the true unfettered freedom of...say.. Somalia. So they can really enjoy themselves. oddee.com