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To: Larry Brubaker who wrote (27319)	11/18/1997 12:57:00 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35569

that was because some weasels and 117's took out the control radar with harms. so the Migs were blind at night. this underscores that the iraquis had second rate control systems and the yanks had good tier or role-division strategy. But also it was to take the home aircraft away from ground fire defense which on the mode they had go to (saturation and passive aim fire) would have led to losses of their own craft. also the swarm of coalition craft had massive firepower in a mass attack and nullification of iraqui in-flight radar. so the MIG 29 one on one superiority never came into play. same technique of formation flying the americans used over the superior zero with their p51's and other albatrosses in ww11.

To: Larry Brubaker who wrote (27319)	11/18/1997 1:17:00 AM
From: Bill Jackson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 35569

Larry; The latest MIGs, if well piloted are a dogfight match for USA planes, for machine gun/cannon combat. When they first came out the MIG29s could move the plane of aim of the craft up to 90 degrees off axis(depending on speed) by vectoring thrust, and the US planes could not(now they do) You may have seen the cobra maneuver they(USSR) do at air shows.(at high speeds it is only a few degrees, but useful) This allowed them to shoot across the arc of the turn of smaller turn radius US planes, a very useful trick with guns. So the better turn radius matched the vectoring to a rough standoff. No arab pilots were ever trained to top russian grades, they got enough to allow them to be king of the walk among arabs, but to be no threat to the USSR from the south if they ever got ornery. In missile standoffs the US planes win all the time. Better missiles, better avionics, and better ECM(electronic counter measures)(ECCM ECCCM and so on) Bill