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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (438335)	8/1/2011 10:16:42 AM
From: carranza2	7 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794340

In my estimation, our processes worked brilliantly with regard to the debt ceiling debate. It was not pretty but politics is not always easy. As Lyndon Johnson said, you don't want to see laws or sausage get made. Our omnipresent media took away some of the mystery and the back-room dealing and put it in the forefront of everyone's living room. After all, Casey Anthony had run her news cycle, what else were they going to do? The fact that the process worked is a testament to the American way. No riots, no fisticuffs in the halls of Congress, nothing like what may have taken place anywhere else. Nonetheless, our history is one of vigorous sometimes rancorous debate, and this issue lived up to our history. Of course, we have undue corporate power influencing policy in a manner which I think is dangerous. However, I think (hope) there will be some reform in this regard. I am not an adherent to the Tea Party's policies. However, anyone who watched the process should be convinced that without its pushing, there would have been a simple raising of the ceiling without a care in the world. For that, the Tea Partiers need to be congratulated. The Tea Party serves a very good and useful function as a counterweight to corporate power, though I would not like to see it actually take the reins of government. In this case, it served a very useful function even if it did not get exactly what it wanted. We are seeing IMO a sea change in our politics. Debt and revenue will from now on be on the forefront of every legislator's agenda. It is a small step, but a significant one. Winston Churchill said that Americans always do the right thing after they've exhausted everything else. This is a fine example of his wisdom.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (438335)	8/1/2011 11:34:06 AM
From: t4texas	3 Recommendations Respond to of 794340

nadine, i read the entire article you responded to. it is interesting to see part of his analysis is correct in my mind, but the solutions he lists (in paragraphs toward the end) are the same things the democrat party wants today and for the past 50 years. "Government rushes to help the irresponsible and does little for the responsible. Wall Street lobbyists govern, not Main Street voters. Vexingly, this promotes both national and middle-class decline yet cannot be moved by conventional democratic politics. Lost jobs, soaring spending and crippling debt make America ever weaker, unable to meet its basic obligations to educate and protect its citizens. Yet politicians take care of themselves and party interests, while government grows remote and unresponsive, leaving people feeling powerless." this fellow's analysis looks like a football game to me. the offense is hurting them badly, and the defense is talking hard on the sidelines trying to figure out what to do. however it is clear their defense has no idea where the ball is going on the next play, and the next play, etc. they will need to wait until after the game is over to try to design a different defense to stop this offense. perhaps they will have to wait until the end of the season to get new players for a new defensive look against the offense.