To: average joe who wrote (168271 ) 8/8/2011 8:32:33 AM From: Brumar89 Respond to of 544066 I believe in the non-establishment of religion ... a state church is a perversion of Christianity. However, people are trying to purge the mention of Jesus from the public space and that's a violation of free speech and the free exercise of religion. All these issues relate to the alleged offensiveness of non-Christians hearing the name Jesus or a phrase like the risen Lord. But EVERY statement by ANY religion contains faith statements that are unique to that religion. Would it be improper, offensive, hateful and arrogant for a rabbi to utter the Shema where people who aren't religious Jews might hear it? After all, not everyone believes Adonai is Elohenu or that Adonai is one. Is it improper for a Jewish veteran buried in a national cemetary to have Kaddish said since it involves mentions of the Holy One, the Father in heaven, and other things that others may not believe? Could a funeral for a Muslim buried in a veteran's cemetary contain the Bismallah since not everyone accepts Allah? Could a Buddhist recite sutras for the dead in a national cemetary that mention Bodhisatvas or Buddhas or various supernatural beliefs that non-Buddhists wouldn't believe in? I see people treating the very mention of Jesus as hateful and hostile to others. But every religious statement of every religion involves statements that are only held by people within that religion. I don't believe in dharma, karma, the great wheel of rebirth, buddas, boddhisatvas or that Muhammed was a prophet but it isn't offensive to me to hear that others do. I think the basic problem is we have a very sick sub-culture that is basically anti-Christian.