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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Paul V. who wrote (110598)	8/14/2011 10:21:53 AM
From: joefromspringfield	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224718

"However, when I examined his credit report, with his permission, I noticed that he had $30,000 in credit card debt. When I asked him how he was planning to repay the $30 K, his reply, "I don't plan to pay it back." Now that is an interesting business plan. Did he get the idea from looking at the federal government that has a $14.5 trillion debt doesn't plan to pay it back. If he runs short on money, he can do what the government does, get another credit card like they do when the debt limit is raised.

To: Paul V. who wrote (110598)	8/14/2011 12:01:12 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224718

One of the difficulty in helping others is not to become an enabler of others while at the same time having empathy for others and assisting them if there is true need Ah yes, so you do understand that there is a bit of enabling going on. There's a big difference between helping somebody out during a difficult time and make lifelong dependents of the state. Our current system is creating millions of people like your friend with the $30k of credit card debt who is gaming the system. He is the result of progressive programs. Again, a cardinal rule in organizing, "do not do for others those things they can do for themselves - but, help others to help themselves." I think you organizers ought to start paying attention to your cardinal rule. As far as iraq and vietnam, I have a bunch of responses to those. But first I would ask, are there any people you would get involved with militarily? What would be your criteria for bringing the mighty US military into a foreign country? If you would help the people in Somalia, why wouldn't you help the people in Iraq. And make no mistake, Saddam Hussein was a vicious tyrant. I know quite a few Iraqi's who all applaud the elimination of Saddam Hussein. But my views are a bit more complex on the military. In Jorjtopia the military would only be used for defense. I see much of the military involvement in the mideast as a hidden subsidy to oil. I believe in the free market and therefore I am against subsidizing any industry. I also believe that involving oneself militarily in another's business creates as many enemies as it does allies. Our founding fathers believed that the military should only be used for defense and so do I. However, I am not a Ron Paul-ite type who believes we should bring the entire military home overnight. It will probably take 30 years to return the military to a normalized defensive posture. Meanwhile, I would make sure that our allies have the ability to purchase military equipment from the US so that they have the ability to defend themselves. If I believed in heavy military involvement around the world, I would see Iraq as a brilliant strategic plan. Iran is a real and true threat to the U.S. and this has been known for some time (if ignored as if they would go away). Iraq also gave radical muslims a place they could go to kill americans. I would rather that the radical muslims take aim at armed and armored americans than unarmed civilians. Saddam made it easy to go in and establish a mideast beachhead in his country while giving a humanitarian spin. But again, I don't believe in this particular military policy. Instead, I would make it clear to our enemies, if we are attacked in any way, we will eliminate your country while not risking one American life.