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To: Don Hurst who wrote (625264)8/20/2011 1:21:30 PM
From: bentway  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1587264
 
Perry prayed for rain in Texas months ago, but God has yet to answer. Who failed, God or Perry?

Will prayer be Perry's typical way of solving problems, as president?



To: Don Hurst who wrote (625264)8/20/2011 3:45:47 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1587264
 
Maybe Obama is God's punishment for our sins. If so, Perry had the right idea ... pray for forgiveness.



To: Don Hurst who wrote (625264)8/20/2011 3:45:52 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 1587264
 
Job Losses From Obama Green Stimulus Foreseen in Spanish Study

By Gianluca Baratti - March 27, 2009 07:58 EDT

March 27 (Bloomberg) -- Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain’s experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide.

For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear,
according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid.

U.S. President Barack Obama’s 2010 budget proposal contains about $20 billion in tax incentives for clean-energy programs. In Spain, where wind turbines provided 11 percent of power demand last year, generators earn rates as much as 11 times more for renewable energy compared with burning fossil fuels.

The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power - - which are charged to consumers in their bills -- translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish “green job” created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.

“The loss of jobs could be greater if you account for the amount of lost industry that moves out of the country due to higher energy prices,” he said in an interview.

Spain’s Acerinox SA, the nation’s largest stainless-steel producer, blamed domestic energy costs for deciding to expand in South Africa and the U.S., according to the study.

“Microsoft and Google moved their servers up to the Canadian border because they benefited from cheaper energy there,” said the professor of applied environmental economics.

To contact the reporter on this story: Gianluca Baratti in Madrid at gbaratti@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Todd White in Madrid at twhite2@bloomberg.netGuy Collins at gcollins@bloomberg.net

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To: Don Hurst who wrote (625264)8/20/2011 3:48:48 PM
From: Brumar891 Recommendation  Respond to of 1587264
 
Scientists Prove Again that Life is the Result of Intelligent Design


August 17, 2011 1:13 am 105 comments

Moshe Averick

In light of the fact that the New York Times has run another article on the fascinating world of Origin of Life research and the creation of synthetic life, (“It’s Alive! It’s Alive!” 7/27/2011, Dennis Overbye), it is instructive to point out the sins of omission of which Mr. Overbye - a veteran science writer with more than two decades of experience – is guilty. The two salient points that get lost (read: that go purposely unmentioned) among the informative interviews with researchers and the descriptions of their ingenious attempts to create life in the laboratory are: (A) Although all of the scientists mentioned believe that life came from non-life through an undirected, naturalistic process, none of them have the slightest clue as to how it actually happened, and (B) The obvious and most significant conclusion that can be drawn from all their splendid work in the lab is that the only reasonable explanation for the emergence of life is Intelligent Design! Allow me to elaborate.

Mr. Overbye gives us a brief description of the current state of Origin of Life research:

“According to modern science, life on Earth originated about 3.8 billion years ago, perhaps in a warm pond, as Darwin speculated, or perhaps in a boiling, bubbling mud bath or a scorching volcanic vent way under the sea. The first inhabitant of this Eden, chemists suspect, was RNA…Scientists cannot prove that this is how life arose on Earth, but they can do the next best thing. They can make their own RNA, and see if they can then breathe life into it.”

Since the general public does not have a clear understanding of what is actually going on in the Origin of Life field, let me translate the aforementioned citation into clear, plain language that can be understood by all.

  • “According to modern science, life originated about 3.8 billion years ago…”The earliest known life form, before which nothing has ever been found, is a type of bacterium. These have been dated by scientists as being alive on the Earth approximately 3.8 billion years ago. Despite their size being measured in the millionths of a meter, a bacterium is of a level of functional complexity on the order of an F-15 fighter bomber (actually that is understated). Dr. Robert Hazen: “The simplest living cell is intricate beyond imagining…human brains seem ill-suited to grasp such multi-dimensional complexity.” Dr. Michael Denton: “each is a veritable micro-miniaturized factory containing thousands of elegantly designed pieces of molecular machinery…far more complicated than any machinery built by man and without parallel in the non-living world.” Dr. Paul Davies: “[bacteria] have a fine tuning and complexity as yet unmatched by human engineering.” Perhaps it is best summed up by Ilya Prigogine, winner of the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1977: “But let us have no illusions… [we are still] unable to grasp the extreme complexity of the simplest of organisms.”
  • “perhaps in a warm pond, as Darwin speculated, or perhaps in a boiling bubbling mud bath or a scorching volcanic vent way under the sea.” – There is no scientist in the world today that would have the chutzpah to claim that he or she knows how life began. Dr. Stuart Kauffman: “Anyone who tells you that he or she knows how life started on the Earth 3.5 billion years ago, is a fool or a knave.” The enormous, gaping chasm that separates non-living chemicals from the simplest living bacterium is described by renowned biologist Dr. Lynn Margulis: “To go from bacterium to people is less of a step than to go from a mixture of amino acids to a bacterium.” Every theory mentioned above has nothing to do with Science. All current Origin of Life theories are pure speculation. Speculation, even when it is the product of a brilliant scientific mind, does not magically become Science. None of these theories are supported by anything even remotely resembling any type of conclusive evidence. In fact they are hotly disputed among researchers themselves. Physicist and information theorist H.P. Yockey: “A scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not yet been written. The entire effort in the primeval soup paradigm is self-deception.” Nobel Laureate, Dr. Werner Arber: “Although a biologist, I must confess that I do not know how life came about…how such already quite complex structures came about is a mystery to me.” Dr. Christopher McKay: “We do not know how life originated on the Earth.” Dr. Harold P. Klein: “The simplest bacterium is so damn complicated…that it is almost impossible to imagine how it happened.” Dr. Ken Nealson (National Academy of Sciences): “Nobody understands the Origin of Life, if they say they do, they are probably trying to fool you.” Dr. George Whitesides: “Most chemists believe as I do that life emerged spontaneously from mixtures of molecules on the prebiotic Earth. How? I have no idea…on the basis of all the chemistry I know, it seems astonishingly improbable.”
  • “The first inhabitant of this Eden, chemists suspect, was RNA…” - Overbye is referring to the highly popular “RNA World” theory, which hypothesizes that RNA preceded DNA and eventually transformed into DNA based life forms. Despite its popularity it is also a purely speculative theory supported by no plausible evidence. Dr. Gerald Joyce, who is mentioned many times in the N.Y. Times article and is a world renowned proponent of the “RNA World” theory, candidly wrote the following in April 2010: “The challenge must now be faced with constructing a realistic picture of the RNA World…it must be said that the details remain obscure and are not likely to be known in the near future…the concept of an RNA World has been a milestone in the scientific study of life’s origins. While this concept does not explain how life originated it has helped to guide scientific thinking and has served to focus experimental efforts.” Nobel Laureate, Dr. Francois Jacob: “It goes without saying that the emergence of this RNA and the transition to a DNA World implies an impressive number of stages, each more improbable than the previous one.” Dr. Graham Cairns-Smith, after describing the hurdles that must be overcome for the RNA World scenario to take place in a natural setting concludes that, “it is absurd to imagine,” that such a process could have occurred the prebiotic Earth. Dr. Robert Shapiro: “I’m always running out of metaphors to try and explain what the difficulty is. But suppose you took Scrabble sets, or any word game sets, blocks with letters, containing every language on Earth, and you heap them together, and then you took a scoop and you scooped into that heap, and you flung it out on the lawn there and the letters fell into a line which contained the words, “to be or not to be that is the question,” that is roughly the odds of an RNA molecule appearing on the earth.” Dr. Shapiro, at an Origin of Life Initiatives lecture at Harvard University in 2008, declared that, “any abiotically prepared replicator before the start of life is a fantasy.”

  • “Scientists cannot prove that this is how life arose on Earth, but they can do the next best thing. They can make their own RNA, and see if they can then breathe life into it.”- These two sentences are the key to a true understanding of the real conclusions that should be drawn from current Origin of Life research. All the amazing breakthroughs that these outstanding scientists have accomplished in their quest to create life in the laboratory have one thing in common: They are only possible under the strictest and most rigorous of laboratory procedures, processes, and protocols, and only under the guidance and direction of the most brilliant scientific minds working with the most advanced equipment available. These procedures and processes did not pop out of thin air; they are themselves built on the collective acquired knowledge and experience of thousands of different researchers and represent, literally, millions of man-hours of intensive labor, contemplation, and analysis. None of them could have conceivably taken place in a prebiotic swamp through undirected processes.
No one has summarized it more incisively and succinctly than Dr. Robert Shapiro, a self-proclaimed agnostic who is Professor Emeritus of Chemistry at NYU, and a world recognized authority on Origin of Life research. Dr. Shapiro wrote the following in 1999, in anticipation of the creation in the laboratory of “self-sustained RNA evolving systems,” (which are discussed at length in Overbye’s article): “The media probably will announce it as the demonstration of a crucial step in the origin of life…The concept that the scientists are [actually] illustrating is one of Intelligent Design. No better term can be applied to a quest in which chemists…prepare a living system in the laboratory, using all the ingenuity and technical resources at their disposal.”

In other words, these scientists have made it incontrovertibly clear that all the steps that are necessary for the emergence of life require the conscious and direct involvement of an active, guiding, and highly intelligent force. The very language that Overbye must inescapably use in describing the efforts of these scientists, strikingly illustrates this notion:

  • “researchers are trying to construct life…in a thimbleful of liquid.”
  • “If you had a second example of life, even if it were synthetic, you might know better. I’m betting we’re just going to make it.”
  • “The ability to synthesize life will be an event of profound importance, like the invention of agriculture or the invention of metallurgy.”
  • “George Church and Farren Isaacs of the Harvard Medical School recently reported that they had reprogrammed the genome of an E. coli bacterium.”
  • “Jack Szostak…embarked on an ambitious project to build an artificial cell”
  • “At the center of the Joyce lab experiments is a T-shaped piece of RNA…In 2002 Joyce and Natasha Paul, configured it to recognize and glue together a pair of smaller molecules.”
“Many investigators feel uneasy about stating in public that the origin of life is a mystery, even though behind closed doors they freely admit they are baffled” (from The Fifth Miracle: The Search for the Origin and Meaning of Life, Dr. Paul Davies)

At the conclusion of his article, Dennis Overbye describes Dr. Gerald Joyce talking about the self-replicating molecules that he has constructed in the lab: “Dr. Joyce’s molecules will never catch up to the biosphere. But someday their genome may surprise their creator…with a trick or a new move in the game of “almost life” that he has not anticipated. “If it would happen, it would do it for me, I would be happy,” Dr. Joyce said, adding, “I won’t say it out loud, but it’s alive.” Perhaps it would be worthwhile for Dr. Joyce and some of his distinguished colleagues like Nobel Prize winners Jack Szostak and Sidney Altman, to take note of the fact that we are already alive and can do some pretty neat tricks…and to realize that just like Gerald Joyce’s primitive, man-made molecular toys, we too have a Creator.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/08/17/scientists-prove-again-that-life-is-the-result-of-intelligent-design/

Interesting comments to the preceding:

.... DNA is a highly sophisticated digital code. We did not even know what digital information was until a few decades ago. Someone obviously knew about it 3.8 billion years ago.
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I do not have to prove that functionally complex machinery is the result of intelligent design. Our entire view of reality is based on that assumption. A smiley face in the sand with the words “Hello Iota” is incontravertible evidence of an intelligent designer. The sophisticated molecular machinery of the bacterium is itself the proof of its designer.
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Functional complexity is a level of sophistication and complexity that accomplishes a specific and directed purpose.

Example: Digitally encoded molecular information that builds functional proteins and sustains a living organism such as a bacterium.

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Here is the description of a bacterium by geneticist and molecular biologist Michael Denton: “Although the tiniest living things known to science, bacterial cells, are incredibly small, each is a vertiable micr-miniaturized factory containing thousands of elegantly designed peices of intricate molecular machinery…far more complicted than any machine built by man and wihtout parallel in the non living world” There are dozens of similar descriptions that could be cited by non-believing scientists. (Denton is an agnostic)

There are levels of functional complexity that the human mind simply refuses to accept could have come about through anything other than intelligent design. Another example: A smiley face in the sand. The suit that I am wearing is itself the evidence for the tailor who made the suit, the smiley face itself is the evidence for the person who drew it, and the bacterium itself which is exponentially more functionally complex is itself the evidence of its creator. I really do not understand what is so controversial about this?

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Why is an ancient cave drawing (we have no idea who drew it, we simply draw the obvious conclusion that it is the result of intelligence) different than the molecular machinery of the bacterium that is “as yet unmatched by human engineering.”? It is MACHINERY.
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Everyone agrees that there had to be a BEGINNING to life. There are only two possible beginnings. A. Life from non-life naturalistically B. Creation by a supernatural creator who is the First Cause before whom there is no cause, because this being does not exist in time, but created time. There is no “before” the creator of time, just as there is no such thing as “before” the big bang. Other than the fact that we know it is true, the concept is incomprehensible. Dr. George Whitesides, of Harvard University has stated that a naturalistic origin of life, in light of all the chemistry he knows is “astonishingly improbable.” You can see some of the other citations in the article. In my book, I have collected seven full pages of similar statements by the worlds leading scientists.
It is therefore “astonishingly probable” that life is the result of creation, by a supernatural creator.

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If every transmission received by SETI was a highly intelligible message in morse code, we would know beyond any reasonable doubt that there is intelligence sending the messages from outer space. To suggest otherwise would be indicative of a disconnection from reality. Unless we actually met them, we would not have the faintest idea what they were like, we could only speculate.

I see the bacterium, and I reasonably conclude that it is the result of inteligence. At that point, I do not know anything about the creator except that he is clearly highly intelligent. That is step one.

It is the subsequent PHILOSOPHICAL reasoning that leads me to the conclusion that the creator must be supernatural.

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The notion that there were ever such things as self-replicating molecules in a natural state is pure speculation. There is zero evidence that they ever existed. [ Further, if such things could have ever existed, they almost certainly would still be around today. Where are the naturally produced self-replicating molecules? ] Non-believing scientists have posited their existence, because for life to emerge naturally they MUST have existed. This, of course, is called putting the cart before the horse. It is not examining the evidence and following where it leads, it is assuming as an article of faith that this is how it happened, and then desperately searching for evidence that it’s true.
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The fact that the existence of God raises questions does not mean it is not the obvious truth. It simply means there may be questions to which we will never know the answer. So?
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As Nobel Laureate George Wald once wrote: “When it comes to the origin of life on this earth, there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation. There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved 100 years ago, but that leads us only to one other conclusion: that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds, therefore, we choose to believe the impossible, that life arose spontaneously by chance.”

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The fact that a cell phone CAN be built by intelligent design does not indicate that it can ONLY be accomplished by intelligent design. The aforementioned statement may be theoretically true, but the emergence of a cell phone by naturalistic processes is so unlikely that we don’t even consider it…unless of course you could bring highly plausible empirical, experimental evidence that such a thing is possible. The functional complexity of a bacterium and its genetic code make a cell phone look like a child’s toy that came out of a cereal box. In some theoretical sense it may be possible for a bacterium to emerge through some naturalistic process, but it is so absurdly unlikely that we do not even have to consider it…unless you bring evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that such a thing is possible. The burden of proof is on those who assert a naturalistic origin of life.

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If a morse code message from a distant galaxy was received you would immediately react by saying “Intelligent Designer did it.” That does not in any way stifle investigation, in fact it provides a powerful incentive to understand more about the source of this message.

When you see the functional complexity of a bacterium which is beyond the reaches of anything human technology can produce, the immediate reaction is “Intelligent designer did it.” Why should that stifle scientific investigation? This is in my opinion, an atheistic canard. All science is based on the assumption that there is an intelligent order to nature.

Why is Origin of Life different than the morse code message?

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Nobel Laureate (biology, medicine) George Wald: “When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation…the other is a supernatural creative act…there is no third possibility..Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved on hundred years ago by Louis Pasteur and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion – that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God…I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation.” (Scientific American, 1954)

It is those scientists who believe in a naturalistic explanation for the emergence of life who are men of BLIND FAITH. The believer in the God of creation is the rationalist.

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