To: DanD who wrote (156016 ) 8/25/2011 2:52:56 AM From: whitepine 12 Recommendations Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 206116 Yo.......DanD. I been reminded...of an old statement from my prof for 19-Century Philosophers......... So, ya got a pile of facts..... is reason, reasoned outcomes, wisdom, or truth...................the result of a proponent's ability to stack "facts" of NYC telephone books higher than competitors? Or is it the combination of how you mix and analyze the salient facts that produces the best outcome? Are you debating Quality or Quantity? Among the facts that you presented, not all of them rank Texas last. So what is/are your friggin' point(s)? Example--- so Texas is 49 in verbal SAT scores. .......a nd how many ESL students took the test? .......and how many students are Hispanic or Black? ...........and doesn't the proportion of Black and Hispanic students affect average scores for a state? Of course it does. DATA: the Comp ACT score for Black students in the US is 16.9 While the average in the US is 21 [ act.org ] see page 4 So the higher proportion of black students affects overall scores for the state, bringing the state average down. Same for Hispanic students. POINT IS ..............Texas does NOT have the worst 'educational system' as LoneClone superficially suggested. I stand by my comment about LC. Pure BS. Anyone care to check the data...racial profiles of scores and their impact on state averages..........SEEact.org =========================================== So Danny boy, Since you can't reason a case........but just throw "facts" at folks, hoping to impress, let me give ya a lesson: Assume ya got two people..........all with the same facts and conditions. Here's da deal. Each competitor has 2 cups milk 1/3 cup white sugar 1/3 cup honey 2 teaspoons active dry yeast 6 cups bread flour, or as needed - divided 1 teaspoon salt 1/4 cup butter, softened Now da goal is to make bread. Each has an oven. One competitor uses this recipe Pour milk in a heatproof bowl, and gently warm in a microwave oven set on Low until milk is about 100 degrees F (38 degrees C), about 15 seconds. Mix in the sugar and honey, and stir to dissolve. Mix in the yeast, and let stand until the yeast activates and forms a creamy layer on the milk, about 15 minutes. Place 4 cups of bread flour and the salt into the mixing bowl of a stand mixer; pour in the yeast mixture, and mix on slow speed with a mixing paddle until thoroughly combined, about 1 minute; dough will be very wet. Add the butter, and mix in the remaining 2 cups of bread flour, or as needed, until the dough begins to gather itself into a ball. Change the fitting from the mixing paddle to a dough hook, and machine-knead the dough until smooth and springy, about 4 minutes. Transfer the dough onto a well-floured work surface, and knead until you see the surface of the dough begin to break during folding and kneading. Roll dough into a ball, and place into a lightly floured large bowl. Cover the bowl with a kitchen towel, and set into a warm place to rise until doubled, about 1 hour. Spray 2 9x5-inch loaf pans with cooking spray. Punch down the dough, remove to the floured surface, and knead for 2 more minutes; cut the dough in half with a sharp knife. Form the dough into logs, adding more flour if necessary, and place the loaves into the sprayed pans. Cover the pans with a kitchen towel, and place into a warm place to rise until doubled, about 1 more hour. Preheat oven to 400 degrees F (200 degrees C). Place the bread loaves into the preheated oven, and turn the heat down to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Bake until the tops are golden brown and the loaves make a hollow sound when thumped, about 25 minutes. Cool the pans on baking racks for about 5 minutes before turning the bread loaves out to finish cooling on racks. Cover the loaves with a kitchen towel as they cool. =================================DA udder competitor simply puts 1/3 cup white sugar 1/3 cup honey 2 teaspoons active dry yeast 6 cups bread flour, or as needed - divided 1 teaspoon salt 1/4 cup butter, softened all together in a pan, bakes it at 200 for 25 minutes............and when it comes out of the oven, he puts da 2 cups of milk on the baked mess to produce garbage. Same facts , but different combination and ya have a complete mess . ========================= In Iowa, No. 2 in ACT scores, only 6% of population is non-white. In Texas, non-white population is 29% Ya think, maybe scores be lower in Texas? EVEN SO........does that mean their system is last ? Ya stacked a lot of facts....AND YA LEFT A LOT OF FACTS out of your post. Texas is NOT the worst at education......as you imply and LoneClone makes explicit. ================ so much for your silliness.