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To: carranza2 who wrote (79050)9/5/2011 9:20:03 PM
From: wonk1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218106
 
...Gold is so last century....

While everyone likes to throw rocks and bottles at Keynes, I have a tendency to believe that they’ve never read General Theory. He was a damn good writer, with a heck of a sense of whimsy. :-). Almost invariably he is misquoted, or at least does not fully quoted, regarding the digging holes and filling them up, government stimulus spending idea.

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au

….It is curious how common sense, wriggling for an escape from absurd conclusions, has been apt to reach a preference for wholly 'wasteful' forms of loan expenditure rather than for partly wasteful forms, which, because they are not wholly wasteful, tend to be judged on strict 'business' principles. For example, unemployment relief financed by loans is more readily accepted than the financing of improvements at a charge below the current rate of interest; whilst the form of digging holes in the ground known as gold-mining, which not only adds nothing whatever to the real wealth of the world but involves the disutility of labour, is the most acceptable of all solutions.

If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is. It would, indeed, be more sensible to build houses and the like; but if there are political and practical difficulties in the way of this, the above would be better than nothing.

The analogy between this expedient and the goldmines of the real world is complete. At periods when gold is available at suitable depths experience shows that the real wealth of the world increases rapidly; and when but little of it is so available our wealth suffers stagnation or decline. Thus gold-mines are of the greatest value and importance to civilisation. Just as wars have been the only form of large-scale loan expenditure which statesmen have thought justifiable, so gold-mining is the only pretext for digging holes in the ground which has recommended itself to bankers as sound finance; and each of these activities has played its part in progress — failing something better. To mention a detail, the tendency in slumps for the price of gold to rise in terms of labour and materials aids eventual recovery, because it increases the depth at which gold-digging pays and lowers the minimum grade of ore which is payable.

In addition to the probable effect of increased supplies of gold on the rate of interest, gold-mining is for two reasons a highly practical form of investment, if we are precluded from increasing employment by means which at the same time increase our stock of useful wealth. In the first place, owing to the gambling attractions which it offers it is carried on without too close a regard to the ruling rate of interest. In the second place the result, namely, the increased stock of gold, does not, as in other cases, have the effect of diminishing its marginal utility. Since the value of a house depends on its utility, every house which is built serves to diminish the prospective rents obtainable from further house-building and therefore lessens the attraction of further similar investment unless the rate of interest is falling pari passu. But the fruits of gold-mining do not suffer from this disadvantage, and a check can only come through a rise of the wage-unit in terms of gold, which is not likely to occur unless and until employment is substantially better. Moreover, there is no subsequent reverse effect on account of provision for user and supplementary costs, as in the case of less durable forms of wealth.



To: carranza2 who wrote (79050)9/6/2011 6:55:39 AM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Respond to of 218106
 
Careful C2, you are starting to be a true believer. Gold is not in any dna. It's just a cultural artifact. <it is ingrained in the dna of the descendants > There is not a gold gene.

I admit that I have spent a LOT more money on bananas than on gold. <seem to prefer bananas, > I even have a banana skin shrine [though it's a little the worse for wear after a winter of neglect while I was away in the summer of England]. It took years of construction effort [about 5]. It's a long story really. It's a work of art. A living and dying monument.

Harry Belafonte: youtube.com

Do you have a gold song?

Your trade offer is off-priced C2. An ounce of gold is currently worth more than half a dozen bananas. Of course gold has value at any particular time. The question is whether it's worth owning at any particular time or not. I have decided a couple of weeks ago at the peak that it's not worth owning compared with US$ and have even put my money where my mouth is, shorting GLD. Admittedly this is an adventure, breaking decades of my investment norms, but it's a bit of fun on the side which won't cost me too badly if mass hysteria gains some more ground though a sudden Zimbabwean hyperinflation to an event horizon would cause problems.

I'm more heavily invested in gold than bananas. I have no banana investments but have a negative position in gold via GLD.

Perhaps I should be investing in bananas. Do you know of any good banana investment opportunities? They don't grow well in NZ.

Mqurice