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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (1677)	9/12/2011 4:21:54 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie	5 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

not speaking for Brumar, but And how is it that if that if these key prominent people have "bagged" the science that none of the scientists' employers have taken action against them? Or least not Hansen's employers. How about because the Scientist's employers are the ones getting the funding. Now that NASA's stated purpose is Islamic Outreach, they have to get money from somewhere to keep the agency funded. As long as Hansen is telling the politicians what they want to hear, the money will keep on flowing to NASA GISS. And you have taken to exposing these "corrupted" people here on the internet out of the goodness of your heart with no political motivation behind it? Is it political to not want our money, in the form of taxes, funding research that is being used to justify destroying the economy? do you really think that our objections to the AGW movement is based on frivolous loyalty to a political party that we hold in almost as much disdain as the democrats?

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (1677)	9/12/2011 5:23:21 PM
From: Brumar89	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

You are the one who claimed there were 1600 climate scientists working for the federal government. I don't know what the staff numbers are, but I do know that GISS and NCAR are major organizations and control a lot of funding. They're headed by Hansen and Trenberth. Hansen, we know is an extremist. Trenberth was a recipient of the leaked climategate emails and knew damn well there was an effort ongoing to stifle skeptical research and hide skeptical examination of their studies. That wasn't a secret to any recipient of Phil Jones' emails. 'We'll keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer review literature is!" "If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone." That's the kind of thing Phil Jones was telling his counterparts and anyone who knew of the above type things and didn't speak up, isn't to be trusted. And are you saying that every scientist that you named as being involved in "corrupted" or climate gate research was actually involved doing the the said research? Yes. They authored key studies, most were IPCC lead authors, and if they weren't, they supervised people who were. And how is it that if that if these key prominent people have "bagged" the science that none of the scientists' employers have taken action against them? Or least not Hansen's employers. Pardon me, but you recently said it was inappropriate for Hansen's superiors to even attempt to control his extremist activities during the Bush administration. Hansen and Trenberth head GISS and NCAR and have no superiors that aren't appointees or elected officials. Since it's assumed that any efforts to bring them under control is illegitimate, they're untouchable. How else could Hansen head up an agency for 30 straight years and get away with his extremist activities? And you have taken to exposing these "corrupted" people here on the internet out of the goodness of your heart with no political motivation behind it? Are you asking me that out of the goodness of your heart? Everyone has a political point of view. You and me both. So what. Furthermore, since the CAGW side of this dispute is trying to imo wreck our economy, I think EVERYONE has a direct interest in their activities.