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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (1684)	9/12/2011 5:01:34 PM
From: Brumar89	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

The Union of Concerned Scientists aren't necessarily scientists of any kind. It's a leftwing agitprop organization that goes back to the nuclear disarmament days in the cold war.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (1684)	9/12/2011 5:28:58 PM
From: Brumar89	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

cited research proving my point that a sizable portion of working Federal Scientists felt "leaned on" by people up the chain of command durning the Bush years? What cited research? James Hansen certainly wasn't controlled .... he gave 1400 interviews over 7 years including at least one with 60 Minutes during the period he was supposedly leaned on.

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (1684)	9/12/2011 5:31:28 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	4 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 85487

Well doesn't it mean that the vast majority of scientists regard it as such? "Settled' that is. Climate science is in its infancy. Nobody can even mount evidence to explain how and when we go into and out of ice ages (though there are several theories put forward). If they can't explain the big stuff, it's crazy to think they can extrapolate 0.75 degrees of warming over the last 150 years into a runaway climate catastrophe. Yes, 0.75 degrees is all the warming on recording, and much of that is suspect due to urban heat effects. The CERN CLOUD experiments just lent sufficient evidence for the participation of cosmic rays in cloud formation to render the warmists' models obsolete. Yet the one thing you never, ever hear from the warmists is a pause for reevaluation in the light of new evidence. The evidence changes, but the same arguments go forward. Which should be the ultimate proof that what we are discussing is not science, but politics. I should point out that one of the leading skeptics is Dr. Roy Spencer, a former NASA scientist and a distinguished climatologist. He was the co-author on the Remote Sensing paper that caused the editor to resign. His site is here drroyspencer.com He has also published several books explaining his views for the lay audience. His latest is The Great Global Warming Blunder: How Mother Nature Fooled the World's Top Climate Scientists [Hardcover] Roy W Spencer (Author)