To: pcyhuang who wrote (53698 ) 9/14/2011 5:00:38 AM From: pcyhuang 1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 95530 Has a Greek Default Already Been Priced in the Market? The press of popular opinion works everyone into a frenzy about Greece, the eurozone, a repeat of 2008, Lehman's Part II etc, etc. We all know what happened in 2008 when the world financial system completely froze. However, the fact that many investors are now prepared for something diabolical to happen probably ensures that 2008 will not repeat itself, at least not in the way that the doomsayers are expecting. Let's step back in time and look at how things existed before Lehman Brothers defaulted. This time 3 years ago, 47% of stocks on the NYSE were trading above their 50 day moving average on the NYSE 50 Day Moving Average Ratio. Now there are only 14%. So, markets were in a "neutral" condition in 2008 and now they’ve moved to ‘extreme’ by historical standards. (Click to enlarge) (Click to enlarge) There are other differences. For instance, this time around we’ve been through a "mini-crash" and perhaps entered a bottoming process. In 2008, however, things were slowly drifting down with no dramatic blow-off to indicate the possibility of an exhaustion of selling pressure. (Click to enlarge) (Click to enlarge) Also, some of the selling pressure observed over the last month or so has been more intense than that observed in the crash of 2008. How about U.S. Treasuries? Well we’ve already seen a rather dramatic move in the U.S. Treasury market, significantly more than what we saw in September/October 2008. It seems like the market is anticipating a default before there is a default, which is very different to what happened in 2008 when default by Lehmans and its consequences were not fully understood or anticipated. (Click to enlarge) But fast forward to now and it would seem that the consequences of a default by Greece are fully understood and anticipated by the market. (Click to enlarge) When you consider that yields on Treasuries of varying maturities are already below where they were in 2008 and that the yield of the U.S. 10yr is now almost half that of the rate of inflation, it is hard to believe there could be material upside treasuries from current levels. We must also consider the yield differential between the S&P 500 and U.S. Treasuries. It got to 7% in the height of the crisis in 2008, now it sits at about 6%. So 2008 has already repeated itself to a large extent. Earnings Yield Differential Between S&P 500 and the U.S. 10 yr (Click to enlarge) From an ultra-long term perspective, consumer sentiment is significantly more bearish now than what it was prior to the default by Lehmans. In fact consumer sentiment is just about as bad as it was in late 2008, post-Lehmans. Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index (Click to enlarge) The bottom line is this: the consequences of a default by Lehmans were not anticipated (priced into the market) prior to it happening in September 2008. However, the consequences of Greece defaulting appear to be anticipated by the market, before Greece has actually defaulted. Let’s remember: it is the anticipation of an event that is critical rather than the event itself . Paradoxically, perhaps the big risk now is of Greece not defaulting, because it is not priced into the market! I will end with Templeton's famous quote: "bull markets are born in pessimism, grow in skepticism, mature in optimism, and die in euphoria" Source: Seekingalpha.com