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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1971)	9/15/2011 4:13:19 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	6 Recommendations Respond to of 85487

Short version... things are worse than they appear to be. Long version... the projections are too, uh, conservative, cuz they underestimate feedbacks and it's even worse than it appears, the dog has not been fed in years, . Short and long version: Hansen's models (the ones this guy Harte cites), which contain a cascading positive feedback loop of warming, predict runaway warming. Evidence that the models are right, despite the predictions of 20 years ago not coming true? Jim Hansen says it's true, and what's more, his new predictions are even scarier than his old predictions. You do understand that it is not possible to directly observe or measure the feedback coefficients, yes? They are estimates, which need to be verified by being matched to empirical observation. Or, as Dr. Trenberth put it in a private email, “The fact is, we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. . .” Hint: in real science, when your models diverge from your observations of reality, reality wins. Pointing out that warming oceans release more carbon dioxide only points to runaway warming if you believe the models which posit a cascading feedback loop. We do know from ice core studies that when the earth gets warmer more carbon dioxide is released; however the warming comes first, which definitely implies that more carbon dioxide is not the cause but the effect. (Despite Al Gore's pointing to the correlation and claiming the opposite). If more carbon dioxide were per se a cause of doom, the Earth should have fried to crisp any number of times in the past when carbon dioxide was much higher than it is presently.