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To: zeta1961 who wrote (101621)	9/15/2011 2:42:30 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 149317

Yes, the Chicago Tribune is a very conservative midwestern newspaper that is most often pro-big business...the Chicago Tribune only reluctantly endorsed Obama when he first ran for president. What folks have to realize is that the ultra-conservative billionaire Koch brothers are strongly in favor of the Keystone XL pipeline -- they stand to make big money off this and they have a terrible environmental record...and the Canadian firm that built the first Keystone pipeline is not the most credible big oil company out there -- I would trust them about as much as I would trust BP (British Petroleum). The Keystone 1 pipeline in the United States has already leaked many times and are we willing to trust this same firm with protecting some of our nation's most precious groundwater supplies...?? Of course this doesn't even take into consideration the serious Global Warming implications of ramping up the Canadian Tar Sands operation to it's fullest potential -- one of Nasa's top scientists has said it would be a tragic and most damaging mistake that would impact all the citizens of the world over time. It would be outstanding if president Obama and his top cabinet members looked at the Keystone decision as if it was as important as pulling the trigger on going to war in Iraq -- our country didn't think through that decision carefully BEFORE we went in and we've had to endure so many painful unintended consequences of that reckless war of choice....We need to see Obama and his management team take this Keystone decision very seriously and be totally independent and consider ALL the facts before they pull the trigger on a high impact decision. TRUST BUT VERIFY.

To: zeta1961 who wrote (101621)	9/15/2011 3:10:33 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 149317

So, what is your average person/voter to think and do? I don't have an answer to this....I can hear it now if Obama denies them: R's screaming from the top of their lungs: THOUSANDS OF JOBS LOST!!! Bachman: I told you we can get $2.00/gal gasoline!!!!! Good point. Its a dilemma. It isn't much good if people are starving and homeless but the environment is perfectly pristine, free of any possible damage. That's where you have to stop and think. How may oil pipeline spills have resulted in the level of damage caused by the BP spill in the Gulf or the Valdez spill off of Alaska? None to my knowledge. Can there be a problem? Of course. That's why you take steps to mitigate against potential problems. Its not an either/or proposition. I am all for liberals compromising when it helps the nation's economy. Besides, I'd rather get my oil from Canada than the ME where Arab Spring is raging. And one last point..........oil isn't a man made product. It comes from nature and is part of the natural environment. During the oil spill last summer in the Gulf, I watched the viewcam at the Oil Drum website. Fish after fish swam through the spurting oil without a care in the world. No one wants an oil spill but they do happen naturally in the environment even when Man is not involved.

To: zeta1961 who wrote (101621)	9/15/2011 3:14:09 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 149317

Al Gore and governor team up to stop TransCanada pipeline http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Gore+governor+team+stop+TransCanada+pipeline/5340023/story.html WASHINGTON — Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore and Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman have almost nothing in common politically. One is a progressive Democrat, the other a conservative Republican. But the men now have a common cause: halting TransCanada Corp.'s Keystone XL pipeline. With daily anti-pipeline protests still ongoing at the White House, Gore has issued a statement urging U.S. President Barack Obama to reject the Calgary-based company's application for a permit to build the 2,700-kilometre oilsands pipeline. "President Obama should block a planned pipeline from the tarsands of Alberta to the Gulf of Mexico," Gore writes on his blog. "The tarsands are the dirtiest source of fuel on the planet." Gore's opposition to Keystone XL, which would carry as much as 900,000 barrels a day worth of crude oil, is hardly surprising. He spoke out against oilsands production in 2009 and, with his movie An Inconvenient Truth, Gore has been the de facto leader of America's environmental movement. Somewhat more interesting — and potentially more consequential for Keystone XL's future — is the decision by Nebraska's Heineman to side with the green community. In his own letter to Obama this week, Heineman said the environmental risks to a precious Nebraska resource — the vast Ogallala Aquifer - are reason enough to block the pipeline. Heineman said the aquifer, which supplies almost 80 per cent of the state's drinking water, was Nebraska's "lifeblood" and would be devastated by a major leak. "Do not allow TransCanada to build a pipeline over the Ogallala Aquifer and risk the potential damage to Nebraska's water," the governor wrote. The State Department, in an environmental-impact study released last week, dismissed concerns about the aquifer, concluding the safety measures TransCanada is putting in place would prevent major spills. Any contamination would be localized, the report said. The environmental study found that "in no spill incident scenario would the entire Northern High Plains Aquifer system be adversely affected." Wrote Heineman: "I disagree with this analysis." So, what happens next? Heineman contends it is Obama's responsibility to refuse to grant TransCanada's presidential permit, a decision expected by year's end. But it is still possible, Nebraska opponents argue, for Heineman to intervene at the state level and force TransCanada to alter its proposed route — a move that could jeopardize a project that has been on hold for three years. Nebraska's two U.S. senators — Democrat Ben Nelson and Republican Mike Johanns — have both pressed Obama and Secretary of State to require TransCanada to alter Keystone XL's route. "If (Heineman) wants a different location, he can offer it. But he's running out of time," Nelson told the Omaha World-Herald. A bipartisan group of Nebraska legislators want a special session of the state Senate to examine whether or not to block the pipeline, but Heineman said the ball is in Obama's court for now. Keystone XL would carry as much as 900,000 barrels a day of oil from Hardisty, Alta., through Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma on its way to refineries in Texas. Other U.S. governors in states along Keystone XL's proposed route — including Democrat Brian Schweitzer of Montana and Republican Dennis Daugaard of South Dakota — support the pipeline's construction. More than 700 people have been arrested in anti-pipeline protests at the White House since Aug. 24. The activists have "bravely participated in civil disobedience," Gore said. © Copyright (c) Postmedia News

To: zeta1961 who wrote (101621)	9/15/2011 4:06:26 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 149317

If you agree with the petition, please pass it on to other threads. TIA. I'm sure it doesn't surprise you that Monday's Tea Party debate for the Republican Presidential candidates was pretty awful. No news there, but something important actually happened. CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul a question that could expose the true cruelty of the entire Republican field. Blitzer told the hypothetical story of a healthy 30 year-old man with no insurance who goes into a coma and needs treatment. Blitzer asked Ron Paul this qeuestion: "should we just let him die?" Members of the audience shouted out "Yes!" and the room erupted into applause. Ron Paul agreed with crowd. It was disgusting. For the 50 million Americans without health insurance today, the question remains: what do the other Republican Presidential candidates think? Do they agree with the crowd at the last debate shouting that rather than treating a 30-year-old uninsured man, we should just let him die? We deserve to find out their answers as well at the next debate. *Join other DFA members and demand that Google, co-sponsor of the next Republican debate, ask all the Republican candidates this question: "Should we just let him die?"* For the Republican candidates pandering to their Tea Party base this may all seem like a big game to win. But for the uninsured in America, it's no game -- it is literally life and death. Ron Paul should know that. His own campaign manager, Kent Snyder, died of pneumonia in 2008 because he was uninsured. When he died, Snyder had over $400,000 in medical bills. We know Ron Paul doesn't stand on the side of his own campaign manager and the millions of other uninsured Americans, but where do the other candidates stand? At next week's debate, Google can ask them to go on the record. Let's make the sure they do. Add your name to the petition now. We'll deliver the signatures to Google before the debate next week. Thanks for everything you do. - Charles Charles Chamberlain, Political Director Democracy for America

To: zeta1961 who wrote (101621)	9/16/2011 11:32:22 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

I don't what planet those people are living on who are saying the US would be exporting the (pipeline) Oil to China and South America. Canadians said they would have to look for overseas markets if they US banned the Keystone pipeline linking the US to the Canadian Tar Sands output. It is ridiculous for us not to buy Canada's oil---a friendly neighbor--than to have to rely on possible unfriendly regimes elsewhere. And Canada will sell it's oil somewhere if we don't buy it.