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To: KyrosL who wrote (79718)	9/16/2011 11:49:44 AM
From: skinowski	Respond to of 218881

A couple more examples. The reason Israel is becoming a high tech and biotech giant is because they absorbed a million Russian Jews, many of them highly educated. If Israel would decide instead to charge them large fees for citizenship and for the use of the existing infrastructure, that country's major export would still be... oranges. Another example - foreign medical grads working in the US. How many schools would have to be built and staffed and maintained in order to replace them? I would guess that every young foreign Doc who arrives to the US saves several hundreds of thousands of dollars which would need to be invested. Instead, those funds get invested in other parts of the economy. The same is true with regard to other highly trained individuals who decide to settle here. That's one of the advantages of being an attractive, free and prosperous nation. And we would be smart to try keeping it this way.

To: KyrosL who wrote (79718)	9/16/2011 1:08:02 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218881

Kyros, your ideas of Utopia is flawed. <Young educated immigrants add to a country much more value than they subtract by using its existing infrastructure.> Yes, and they would benefit most from Utopia [just as they already crowd into the best countries]. They wouldn't lose benefits by buying a citizenship. They would gain even more. That's why new citizenships would be sold by the $billion. <It costs a lot to raise and educate a child in developed countries.> Yes, if people can get a free education in poor countries then sell those skills in rich ones, it's good for them and bad for the place which subsidized their cheap education. But even though it's expensive in expensive countries to attend educational establishments, hordes still crowd in if they can get a place. People do what's best for themselves. They buy cheap [education, cars, houses, hired help, Made in China] and sell dear [their skills, their property]. < Do you think the US would have been better off if it required that the Jewish refugees from pre WWII Europe had to pay a hefty sum to emigrate? > No, of course not. If I can hire brains for low price, I pay them to come and help me. But you are doing the racist thing there and lumping all Jews in together [which makes sense if they weren't going to be treated as individuals]. To get the Einstein needle, hiding in the haystack, they just took the haystack. In Utopia, it might be worth just taking in a swarm of people too, even if only temporarily. For example, if Algeria was Utopia, they might open the borders to Libyan refugees from megalomaniac Gadaffi, to crowd in, and provide them with free food and water. Then provide them with weapons with which to go back to Libya and make it part of Utopia. Companies like Livedoor, Google and Qualcomm would just buy 1000 citizenships and bring in a swarm of talented people, just as they do now if they can get them past the stupid rules. They would agree to transfer the citizenship over a period of 10 years or so as part of the person's salary. In 5 years, I could change Greece from the joke of the world to the best place on the planet, with soaring value and crowds wanting to get in. Tradable Citiizenship Kyros. But Greeks are not like pre-war Jews and lack imagination, so they'll go with riots and self-destruction instead. Greece was once upon a time considered to be a world leader. All they need to do it is again is the right idea. The climate is great, it's central to everywhere. It's a LOT nicer than London, New York, Beijing. Especially when reglaciation arrives in 2020. Mqurice