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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (2113)9/19/2011 11:33:39 AM
From: longnshort  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
he fits in perfectly




To: Wharf Rat who wrote (2113)9/19/2011 11:43:11 AM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 85487
 
Dem Rep To Islam Conference: ‘I Apologize On Behalf Of America’



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (2113)9/19/2011 12:00:59 PM
From: longnshort3 Recommendations  Respond to of 85487
 
I guess Solyndra Green is the answer



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (2113)9/19/2011 1:10:30 PM
From: longnshort1 Recommendation  Respond to of 85487
 
Part of President Obama's tax hike speech focused on corporations with the "best lobbyists" ending up getting preferential treatment. Despite his concern with "special interests", President Obama neglected to mention the Solyndra scandal which appears to be rife with favors for the "green jobs" special interest company.

Obama Slams ‘Special Interests’; No Mention Of Solyndra



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (2113)9/20/2011 4:20:13 PM
From: Brumar893 Recommendations  Respond to of 85487
 
Pielke Sr. on that hide and seek ocean heat

If 'Travesty' Trenberth's missing heat is hiding in the deep ocean, how did it get there without transiting through the upper ocean?


Posted on September 20, 2011 by Anthony Watts

Torpedoing Of The Use Of The Global Average Surface Temperature Trend As The Diagnostic For Global Warming

By Dr. Roger Pielke Senior

There is a new paper by Gerald Meehl of NCAR and other collaborators that has been announced in the media; i.e. see in the International Business Tribune [h/t to Watts Up With That]

Global Warming on Temporary Hold Thanks to Deep Oceans

First, I am glad the authors implicitly acknowledge the importance of the ocean heat changes as the primary diagnostic of climate system heat changes, as I have urged in my papers

Pielke Sr., R.A., 2003: Heat storage within the Earth system. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 84, 331-335.

Pielke Sr., R.A., 2008: A broader view of the role of humans in the climate system. Physics Today, 61, Vol. 11, 54-55.

There are two major issues, however, with the new study that the authors [that the news article reports on] did not seem to recognize:

1. If heat is being sequested in the deeper ocean, it must transfer through the upper ocean. In the real world, this has not been seen that I am aware of. In the models, this heat clearly must be transferred (upwards and downwards) through this layer. The Argo network is spatially dense enough that this should have been seen.

2. Even more important is the failure of the authors to recognize that they have devalued the use of the global average surface temperature as the icon to use to communicate the magnitude of global warming. If this deeper ocean heating actually exists in the real world, it is not observable in the ocean and land surface temperatures. To monitor global warming, we need to keep track of the changes in Joules in the climate system, which, as clearly indicated in the new study by Meehl and colleagues, is not adequately diagnosed by the global, annual-averaged surface temperature trends.

The news article has the text [highlight added]

Global warming is temporarily on hold as the deep ocean currents and circulations absorb the sun’s heat before releasing it finally, scientists said on Sunday.

The study conducted by scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) and the Bureau of Meteorology in Australia was published in the Sept. 18 issue of the journal Nature Climate Change.

The last decade saw an incessant growth in greenhouse gas emissions which ideally should have increased Earth’s temperature. However, Earth’s temperature didn’t increase vastly. Where was the “missing heat” going?

To find out the mystery, Gerald Meehl, lead author of the study that revealed the connection between global warming and temperature hiatus caused by ocean’s heat absorption, and scientists at the NCAR in Colorado ran five simulations on a computer model that studied the complex interactions between the atmosphere, land, oceans and sea ice.

The study revealed that temperature has already increased by several degrees in this century and will increase more in the coming days but the hiatus period will interrupt the increase. During this period, the missing temperature will lurk inside the deep ocean.

“We will see global warming go through hiatus periods in the future, however, these periods would likely last only about a decade or so, and warming would then resume. This study illustrates one reason why global temperatures do not simply rise in a straight line,” said Meehl.

Kevin Trenberth, a study author and NCAR scientist, said: “… this study suggests the missing energy has indeed been buried in the ocean, the heat has not disappeared and so it cannot be ignored. It must have consequences.”

They found the vast area deeper than 1,000 feet (305 meters) warmed by about 18 to 19 percent more during the hiatus periods than at other times. Meanwhile, shallower global oceans above 1,000 feet warmed by 60 percent less than during non-hiatus periods in the simulation.

The study also revealed the regional signature of oceanic warming during hiatus periods. During a hiatus, average sea-surface temperatures decrease across the tropical Pacific, while they tend to increase at higher latitudes.

Meehl says these patterns are similar to those observed during a La Niña event.

“Global temperatures tend to drop slightly during La Niña, as cooler waters reach the surface of the tropical Pacific, and they rise slightly during El Niño, when those waters are warmer,” he added.

A final comment on this paper, if heat really is deposited deep into the ocean (i.e. Joules of heat) it will dispersed through the ocean at these depths and unlikely to be transferred back to the surface on short time periods, but only leak back upwards if at all. The deep ocean would be a long-term damper of global warming, that has not been adequately discussed in the climate science community.

wattsupwiththat.com