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To: Land Shark who wrote (2205)	9/20/2011 12:58:26 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 85487

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To: Land Shark who wrote (2205)	9/20/2011 1:03:39 PM
From: longnshort	4 Recommendations Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 85487

World Atlas ice loss claim exaggerated: scientists An iceberg floats in the sea ice near the town of Uummannaq in western Greenland March 18, 2010. Credit: Reuters/Svebor Kranjc By Nina Chestney LONDON \| Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:27pm EDT LONDON (Reuters) - The Times Atlas of the World exaggerated the rate of Greenland's ice loss in its thirteenth edition last week, scientists said on Monday. The atlas, published by HarperCollins, showed that Greenland lost 15 percent of its ice cover over the past 12 years, based on information from the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado in the United States. The Greenland ice sheet is the second biggest in the world and significant shrinking could lead to a global rise in sea levels. "While global warming has played a role in this reduction, it is also as a result of the much more accurate data and in-depth research that is now available," HarperCollins said on its website on Monday. However, a number of scientists disputed the claim. "We believe that the figure of a 15 percent decrease in permanent ice cover since the publication of the previous atlas 12 years (ago) is both incorrect and misleading," said Poul Christoffersen, glaciologist at the Scott Polar Research Institute (SPRI) at the University of Cambridge. "We concluded that a sizable portion of the area mapped as ice-free in the Atlas is clearly still ice-covered." Other scientists agreed. "These new maps are ridiculously off base, way exaggerated relative to the reality of rapid change in Greenland," said Jeffrey S. Kargel, senior research scientist at the University of Arizona. The Times Atlas suggested the Greenland ice sheet has lost 300,000 square kilometers in the past 12 years, at a rate of 1.5 percent per year. However, measurements suggest this rate is at least 10 times faster than in reality, added J. Graham Cogley, Professor of Geography at Trent University, Ontario, Canada. "It could easily be 20 times too fast and might well be 50 times too fast," he added. Last year, a U.N. committee of climate scientists came under fire for bungling a forecast of when Himalayan glaciers would thaw. The panel's 2007 report, the main guide for governments in fighting climate change, included an incorrect projection that all Himalayan glaciers could vanish by 2035, hundreds of years earlier than scientists' projections.

To: Land Shark who wrote (2205)	9/20/2011 1:26:58 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 85487

Thing is, it (out of control, catastrophic anthopogenic global warming) really isn't happening. There's no evidence of it but models that just can't explain things any other way ... say the modelers. Currrent warming isn't unprecedented. Is natural considering we're recovering from a cold period known as the little ice age. Weather isn't more extreme than in the past (though global warming theoretically should make weather less extreme). The seas aren't rising preciptously. Polar bears aren't endangered. And on and on.