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To: arun gera who wrote (80039)9/23/2011 2:57:32 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217750
 
Arun, that's not really true: <Most of these countries and Germany and Japan have outsourced their military protection to USA. What is the inconsistency there? > Singapore is a well armed little country which does not depend on USA to keep the marauding Malaysians and Indonesians at bay. Back in the day, Joseph Yim wa a fighter pilot part time and BP technical guy in his day job. We'd go for a run each morning in Regents Park, London, before a day on our sales engineer training course [1981] when he would learn a few VVV in passing though he seemed well enough versed in them as did the colonized men from Ghana, Nigeria, Sweden, Argentina, South Africa etc. From what I remember and what I know of Singapore, the USA didn't enter into the defence of Singapore, other than as a money making supplier of equipment.

Japan is a well armed military monster. Admittedly they spend a smaller proportion of their GDP on military matters, but it's still real money and they mean business. It's not really a good description to say they outsourced their defence to the USA. What actually happened was that the USA bombed them a lot, killed hordes of their soldiers across the Pacific Ocean and then conducted and won the world's first and only noocular war against Japan. Japan surrendered without conditions. Occupying forces moved in without invitation, including my second cousin Jim Bongard who lived there for many years and has a Japanese wife [they now living in Tauranga]. Being of VVV Jim didn't do like the Japanese did in Nanking. I know you think the horrid British are all the same and just as bad as your average German Jew exterminator, but that's not the case. While they did try to exterminate all the Indians, as you know from personal experience, they left a few alive to serve tea and help build the the railways [I admit to some assumption there - you could be an English chap who has adopted an Indian name like our son has a Turkish name and grandson has a hybrid English/Chinese name. But I assure you there are still some surviving Indians.]

Japan's military from Wikipedia: <For FY 1986 through FY 1990, defense's share of the general budget was around 6.5 %, compared with approximately 28 % for the United States. In 1987 Japan ranked sixth in the world in total defense expenditures behind the Soviet Union, the United States, France, the Federal Republic of Germany ( West Germany), and Britain. By 1989 it ranked third after the United States and the Soviet Union, mainly because of the increased value of the yen. In FY 1991, defense accounted for 6.2 % of the budget. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Japan was ranked fourth in world in 2004-2005, spending $42.1 billion; according to The World Factbook, CIA, Japan was fifth, spending $44.7 billion (the ranking is different because of the CIA's radically higher estimate of spending by the People's Republic of China). [1] >

Germany also didn't really outsource their defence to the USA. After a few years of intense war, the USA, and others, bombed and shot millions of Germans. The Germans unconditionally surrendered. A guy I worked with in Texaco in 1975 was from Germany - his uncle used to collect parts of bodies of their family after bombing raids. I'm pretty sure it wasn't by invitation that the USA arrived in Germany. Rich Belanger [an Sier] was in the occupation forces in his early days. Unlike the Germans occupying Warsaw's Jewish area, Rich's brief was not to reduce the German population as efficiently as possible. His VVV were achieving a different purpose and were superior to that of the Germans running Auschwitz , in my opinion, but you are free to disagree [though you would not be in China or many countries and are not free to disagree that the Holocaust was a holocaust if in Germany],.

Here's how "outsourcing their defence to the USA" works. It's not really a choice by the country involved. If the USA doesn't want to defend you, you are on your own. So Rwandans hacked at each until they had run out of steam. The Serbs punished Islamic Jihad in Yugoslavia for years. Pakistanis conduct murder in India and threaten to nuke them. The USA did eventually intercede in Serbia [bombing the China embassy for good measure]. If the USA does want to defend you, you will be defended whether you want to be or not.

Here is a smorgasbord of detail. I'm sure you'll see what I mean there: en.wikipedia.org

Mqurice



To: arun gera who wrote (80039)9/23/2011 4:12:23 PM
From: Maurice Winn1 Recommendation  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217750
 
Actually, I was wrong there: <grandson has a hybrid English/Chinese name > It's easy to be ignorant of, or get sloppy with history [as you and others have done over, for example, Maori/English history]. Sebastian is Greek: thinkbabynames.com David is Hebrew and biblical thinkbabynames.com

Good grief, Google is getting really detailed and knows heaps. Yes, the Winns were from Wales houseofnames.com I can confirm Jessie Winn did arrive on the ship "British Empire" in the 19th century and I have her diary [which does not record slayings of Indians en route]. I have no idea how that website knows that.

Chan dharmanet.org Chén (trad ?, simp ?) is perhaps the most common surname in Hong Kong and Macau(romanized as Chan) Which is not particularly English. en.wikipedia.org

As you can see, we "English" are not shy about adopting people, places and language from everywhere. Good English words like restaurant, cafe, sushi, karma and kiwi have origins outside London though they are intelligible inside London too. Our VVV are eclectic not exclusive. The Queen is somewhat German and her husband a little bit Greek. The Japanese royal family goes back in a straight line for a couple of thousand years. We don't have a committee for the purity of english [as the French do]. Franglais is a perfectly good english word. Neither do we seem to be particularly pure about breeding choices though haemophilia is a genetic issue among some interbreeders.

Mqurice