To: steve harris who wrote (630090 ) 10/1/2011 6:19:30 PM From: SilentZ Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573852 >How so? Looks dead on to me if you take the time and see who benefited from where the trillions went. TARP never went to TARP and the stimuli monies paid off voting blocks including growing government while the American taxpayer watched his life continue to grow worse. The government didn't grow. Public sector employment has been shrinking. Fact. "Even the liberal" New York State just laid off 10,000 public sector workers. >Concerning democrats gaining power in 2007, look at any chart of unemployment, spending, gasoline prices, food prices, see how the private sector crashed knowing the history of left wing socialists after they gain power. Consider what actually caused that.... a bursting in the housing bubble, along with the collapse of a couple of huge banks in the financial sector. We were on our way towards that for years before 2007. It could've happened in 2005 or 2009, but it happened then. >Please review who and how many unaccountable "Czars" Obama granted absolute powers to. Maybe far left democrats is not the most accurate description. "Czars" do not have absolute power. They're just policy advisers with a speciality. It's a shorthand media term, in use for decades, that Glenn Beck picked up on and then made you conservatives crap your pants about because the term can be associated with pre-Soviet Russia, and Beck loves anything that makes his uninformed audience think about Soviet Russia. >How about marxist or fascist? Nope, neither, unless you don't know the definitions of the terms. >Ignoring the will of the people. Obama won office campaigning on health care reform and going back to the Clinton tax levels. You're right. He didn't listen to the people who didn't vote for him. But a significant majority of the electorate did in a very high turnout fashion. >Obama telling people who are hurting they need to get off their asses and fight for him, making up shit like democrats always do about republicans wanting to kill old people or starve children, will not improve their situation and will only lead to more violence. A lot of people actually believe this rhetoric coming from your side. It's not about Republicans wanting to kill old people or starve children, it's about Republicans not caring whether or not old people or children live or die. And frankly, that's true. Grayson had you guys pegged. >Less than most? He's printing and passing out money four times faster than Bush did is he not? Doesn't it get old using the excuse: "but everyone else is doing it"? You thought Halliburton or prescription drugs were the worst things Bush ever did, Not true. Did I ever say that? Those were bad things, but there were plenty worse. >I seriously wouldn't know where to start with Obama and his cronyism other than to just go ahead and look at the bottom line of "four times spending money faster than Bush." Except it's not true. Expenditures in the last Bush budget (2009) were 2% higher than in Obama's first budget (2010). And even if you don't understand that Bush's last budget was 2009 and not 2008, the 2010 expenditures were only about 15% higher than 2008, even including the stimulus spending in that year. Three and a half trillion is not four times as much as three trillion, at least in my world. >Next time you're out with your friends, listening to people wanting to raise taxes to the levels under Clinton, ask them if returning to Clinton spending levels and a balanced budget thanks to a Republican house taking away Clinton's blank check included in the deal. There are five factors that account for nearly our entire deficit since 2001: the Bush tax cuts (which Obama unfortunately continued), the two wars, the decline in revenues due to the economic downturn, the stimulus (so far a one-time thing), and the bailouts (also one-time). If you get rid of the first three, we're pretty darned close to breakeven. Once again, a fact. >Please enlighten me what the problems in Greece are as you see them. I see the same problems here, out of control government spending, public sector employees and senior citizens being promised a future the state cannot afford just as in California or at GM. We are a much richer country than Greece. We're also not telling people they can retire at 55 with full pensions, not just from the public sector, but from the private sector, as well. And our pensions are mostly fine, and the ones that aren't are being unraveled on purpose -- witness the Republicans in Congress making the USPS fund pensions 75 years in advance. The Republicans are waging war against any sort of economic security for workers because it makes workers more difficult to manipulate. -Z