To: elmatador who wrote (80709 ) 10/2/2011 2:51:09 PM From: Maurice Winn 2 Recommendations Respond to of 217544 You might be onto something there ElM.< The young still living off the old. They are minimalists who do not need too much to live. Problem is they are taking out without putting anything back. Living off capital. Living off other places that are growing. Countries living off their past achievements. > Several decades ago, in the rich countries, children became "wanted" rather than the unfortunate result of sexual drive. Now the precious little darlings are brought up as the centre of attention with what they want being the top priority and with little, if any, expectation of working to survive. When they reach "time to leave home" age, "go and earn a living, pay taxes, redistribute YOUR income to swarms of beneficiaries and government "workers", they don't go. If they do go, to escape their stupid parents, they have little idea of what it takes to run their own lives, let alone the world. Virtuous Victorian Values are to them some weird joke which they don't even understand. On a national level, whole countries do the same, as you say, living off the VVV of a bygone era, frittering away capital, handing it over to immigrants who have no appreciation of what it took to produce the wealth in the first place so they don't replace it, they just take it like a bunch of oil found in the ground. 4 decades ago, I had a maths lecturer who would start his lectures with general chat [which annoyed many students so they'd show up later and later, hoping to avoid his little chats]. He was perhaps using his chats as a way to fill in time until everyone was there, but he got into the game of having them come later anyway because they knew he'd waste time, so they might as well come 8 minutes late instead of 2 minutes early. He should have started 2 minutes earlier each time. Often authorities get into that kind of muck - rewarding the hopeless instead of punishing them. But the point is, one day, he said that God was quite cunning because just in case the joys of having the pitter patter of little feet wasn't enough to keep the population up, he also made sex very alluring. That amused me at the time. Until contraceptives became easily available, and fashions changed, and communities did not need swarms of young men to go and do battle with Evil-Doers just over the horizon, it was a good thing and inevitable that lots of children would be born, who would soon learn that they were NOT the centre of the cosmos and that they had better learn damn fast to stand on their own two feet, grow up and get into the game. Now, people are children into their 30s. Or 40s. Or go for Peter Pan status and never grow up. They can't look after themselves, let alone any accidental offspring who become, with their parents, wards of the state. That's no way to run an empire of VVV. As you say - it's slo mo. My mother told me that her father said in 1936 when Labour won and brought in the welfare state, "Well, that's the beginning of the end". 30 years later when she told me, we pooh poohed his idea as old fashioned. Pretty soon though, after becoming an adult, I realized he was right. It takes a couple of generations to get the VVV work ethic out of the culture. While I didn't experience WWI or the Great Depression or WWII, the effects of them landed on me and the institutional memory was strong. So I worked, as did most of my generation. But that work ethic has been diluted and the ranks of the bludgers and spivs have boomed. Slo mo the slide has been on for decades. With people voting themselves poor, there might not be a turn around. Mqurice