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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: tejek who wrote (102680)10/5/2011 8:23:13 AM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317
 
Bullshit. What do you think zero percent interest rates are? That is a direct transfer of wealth from you and I to the banks. It is an ongoing ginormous bailout. This is how it works. The Fed loans money to the banks at 0%. The banks buy Treasuries earning 1-3% interest and pocket the spread between that and the 0% cost of the Fed loan. Then they pay themselves hundreds of millions in bonuses. Where do you think those profits and bonuses come from? It comes directly from you and I. The majority of investors like retired people and those terrified of the casino that the stock market has become, who are buying Treasuries right now, are not getting market rates for loaning their money. They are getting artificially suppressed rates. If the free market was allowed to function, US rates would be far higher at our level of Debt to GDP. This is what Quantitative Easing (aka money printing to buy Treasuries and MBS, CDOs, CMOs) does. It suppresses interest rates by the Fed introducing massive Fed demand for bonds, which takes away the free market power of the bond vigilantes. You see. the bond vigilantes would SELL Treasuries and increase the spread (market interest rate) on sovereign debt for dodgy countries like the US and Greece. But the Fed has stepped in to provide artificial demand through QE and ZIRP, effectively trouncing the free market and reversing the decline in Treasuries. In return the banks get recapitalized in exchange for stealing money from savers and investors and in exchange for driving up prices of everything due to the destruction of the value of the dollar.

All of this is thinly disguised theft. It is a government sanctioned Kleptocracy. It is fraud, theft, criminal, and smacks of Communism. It is Centrally Planned Economy. It is EVERYTHING that we fought against England for in our Revolutionary War.

tejek,
you give up too easily what our Founding Fathers fought for. I refuse to sanctioned this theft from the 99% to the top 1%. Hell, from that angle, I'm more of a defender of the masses than you are. Your defense of Obama and Geithner is just because they are Democrats. But what they are doing is very un-Democrat. I would expect Bernanke and the any other GOP member to do what they are doing, because they always take care of Wall Street. But you know we're in deep shit when the Democrats thumb their nose at the 99% and instead protect the top 1%.



To: tejek who wrote (102680)10/5/2011 1:51:28 PM
From: John Vosilla  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 149317
 
'What I do know is that Obama saved this country's ass from going under. We were in a crisis of immense proportions......and we didn't need an extremist bent on destruction. If Ron Paul had been in power, we would have lost many more banks as well as GM and Chrysler. That's the truth'

I agree we'd be in depression if the GOP controlled things in 2009-10 though Ron Paul would have made a great Secretary of State maybe starting a move to winding down all these stupid wars and occupations and bases worldwide. Just shutting all this waste and extravagance down would end our budget woes coupled with letting the Bush tax cuts expire once we get back to normal growth patterns.