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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: RetiredNow who wrote (102749)	10/5/2011 5:22:45 PM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 149317

Thread, don't respond in anger to this post. I just want you all to think about the other side of this equation. Think about our Constitutional rights and think about what a bad mad could do with the power that the Executive Branch now has. Thought experiment: what if Hitler was elected President in this country today? What would he do with the powers that Bush and Obama have aggregated to the Exec Branch? What would Hitler do with targeted assassinations of people only he declares enemies of the state? What would he do with the power to monitor people's conversations and online activity that the FISA laws grant him? What would he do with the power to strip search anyone at airports? How could he use those powers to bring about the end of Democracy in the USA and bring about a Dictatorship, especially when some leaders like NC Gov. Bev Purdue are openly calling for a suspension of elections to allow the current leaders to act with impunity? What safeguards and precedents are in place to prevent the President from acting unilaterally to dismantle the Constitution and our rights and freedoms? Folks we're on the slippery slope, and frankly, it scares the hell out of me. I'm glad a good man like Obama is using these powers today. However, he doesn't scare me. What scares me are the precedents we are setting, which a bad man may use in the future to destroy what this country has built over the last 235 years. So don't look down your nose at Ron Paul. He's thinking further ahead than most Americans think. He's worried about the future, not about the single act of assassination of an American citizen abroad that occurred in the last few days. Put aside your full-throated agreement with that act for now and think about the longer term consequences to our Constitution and the rights we all enjoy. Just give it a few minutes to think about that. Ron Paul Asks: Will The Government Assassinate Journalists Next? 03:45 pm October 5, 2011 by MARK MEMMOTT Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was quick last Friday to condemn the killing of American-born al-Qaida cleric Anwar al-Awlaki by a U.S. drone strike in Yemen. "If the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it's sad," Paul said. Today at the National Press club in Washington Paul repeated that he thinks the presidentially approved killing of an American citizen is an impeachable offense and said the nation could be "slipping and sliding" toward more targeted assassinations. "They won't even tell us what the rules are," Paul said, other that to say al-Awlaki was "a threat." "Can you imagine being put on a list because you're a threat?" the GOP presidential contender asked. "What's going to happen when they come to the media? What if the media becomes a threat? Or a professor becomes a threat? Someday that could well happen. This is the way it works. It's incrementalism. ... It's slipping and sliding, let me tell 'ya."

To: RetiredNow who wrote (102749)	10/5/2011 6:18:27 PM
From: John Vosilla	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

'I'm 100% sure that we're not going to do the hard things that need to be done, because we don't have leaders in charge. We have children who are bought and paid for by the lobbyists.' In the post financial crisis world they've been kicking the can down the road and deleveraging takes time. You just could not sweep away in the early Obama years 30+ years of a credit induced spending binge where American's got soft and entitled with the rest of the world hungry and eager to catch up. Do you realize the American consumer has already deleveraged back to his debt ratios of almost 15 years ago according to some reports lately plus our large corporations are in better shape now than ever? The whole government out of control situation I blame on the housing/credit/military industrial complex/oil cartel expansion during the Bush years from federal to local levels going el nutso during 2003-06..