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To: Carolyn who wrote (12)10/6/2011 3:41:05 PM
From: joseffy  Respond to of 749
 
A Brief Time Line of events of Watergate and Monica Lewinsky vs. Gunwalker

http://www.nachumlist.com/timeline.htm


Perspective

Perspective is always interesting in judging events. At what point does a scandal turn from merely being a public relations "snafu" into a real crisis for our modern presidents. The best answer might be found in the timelines surrounding the scandals of presidents who faced the spectre of possible or actual impeachment. How much time does it take for a scandal to reach the actual vote or threatened vote of impeachment. If one dislikes the current occupant of the Oval Office, it cannot happen fast enough and if one supports the president, than they hope it dissappears. What if there is actual evidence and it cannot be whitewashed? When evidence or events are proven to be true was it a matter of months or was it years?

Watergate Timeline: Source: Watergate.info)

* June 17, 1972: Five men, one of whom says he used to work for the CIA, are arrested at 2:30 a.m. trying to bug the offices of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate hotel and office complex.

* January 30, 1973: Former Nixon aides G. Gordon Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping in the Watergate incident. Five other men plead guilty

* April 30, 1973: Nixon's top White House staffers, H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman, and Attorney General Richard Kleindienst resign over the scandal. White House counsel John Dean is fired.

* May 18, 1973: The Senate Watergate committee begins its nationally televised hearings. Attorney General-designate Elliot Richardson taps former solicitor general Archibald Cox as the Justice Department's special prosecutor for Watergate.

* July 27, 1974: House Judiciary Committee passes the first of three articles of impeachment, charging obstruction of justice.

* August 8, 1974: Richard Nixon becomes the first U.S. president to resign. Vice President Gerald R. Ford assumes the country's highest office. He will later pardon Nixon of all charges related to the Watergate case.

Note that in this timeline it took over a full two years to get from the event to the actual potential of impeachment. It is also common knowledge that Richard Nixon was routinely attacked by the major networks, the only source of information at the time. It took over a full year to get a special prosecutor in 1973.

Monica Lewinsky Timeline:

Note: there are intersecting scandals and that the Special Prosecutors (Robert Fiske Jr. and Kenneth Starr) were appointed to first investigate The Whitewater Developement Corp financial irregularities. When Monica Lewinsky was deposed, it was as part of the Paula Jones scandal lawsuit investigation.

Sources: Washington Post, CNN, The Guardian

* 1992, The Whitewater Development Corp is dissolved, leaving Bill and Hillary Clinton with a loss of more than $40,000.

* January 1993, Bill Clinton's first term as president Begins

* January 1994, Attorney General Janet Reno appoints Robert Fiske Jr. as the independent counsel in charge of investigating financial irregularities in the dealings of the Whitewater property company.

* August 1994, Fiske is replaced by the more conservative Kenneth Starr as the independent counsel investigating the Whitewater scandal.

* August 1997, Linda Tripp is reported in Newsweek magazine as having seen White House staffer Kathleen Willey emerging from the Oval Office looking dishevelled but happy, and with her lipstick smeared. Mr Clinton's attorney, Robert Bennett, claims Ms Tripp is "not to be believed."

* January 16, 1998, Janet Reno, the US Attorney General, approves the Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr's request for an expansion of the inquiry to include the Clinton-Lewinsky affair.

* October 8, 1998, The House of Representatives vote for impeachment proceedings to begin against Clinton.

* December 19, 1998, President Clinton is impeached as the Republican controlled House approves two of the four proposed articles of impeachment by narrow partisan majorities: 228-206 and 221-212.




The Gunwalker Scandal Timeline (so far): Sources detailed on Nachumlist and links below

* February 23, 2011, CBS airs a report "Project Gunrunner" scandal, reported by Sharyl Atkisson

* March 16, 2011, Congressman Darrell Issa announces investigation into Gunwalker and BATFE ( Audio)

* June 13, 2011, First Hearing on the Gunrunner scandal scheduled

* July 23, 2011, House Oversight Committee Announces Next Hearing on DOJ’s Operation Fast and Furious

* September 1, 2011, Issa and Grassley expand the investigation

* September 3, 2011, First calls for special prosecutor



As the scandal has grown in directions nobody could have anticipated, we can see by the comparative timelines that the scandal is only in its (relative) earliest stages. The wheels of justice do turn, but turn slowly. We have a timeline of years before either the Watergate scandal or the Monica Lewinsky scandal lead to impeachment hearings. In the case of Clinton, the coverup was so effective, that if Paula Jones had not sued, Monica Lewinsky and her dress would have remained unknown.

The Obama White House, with most of the press on its side has managed to resist the call for a special prosecutor for over one month (as of this writing) and probably resist until the equivalent of a John Dean type of whistleblower comes forward or the equivalent of Monica Lewinsky's Dress is presented as evidence. Serendipity comes into play in the case of Monica Lewinsky, the tapes and her dress. One could argue that the newly discovered Eric Holder memos could eventually lead to the prosecution of Eric Holder and the process would lead to the President. Based on past precedent, the process would take us past the next election- at least by comparing timelines. So, for all of you expecting impeachment hearings any time now. It appears the wait will be a long one. Maybe a very long one.

Nachum



To: Carolyn who wrote (12)10/17/2011 1:48:41 PM
From: joseffy1 Recommendation  Respond to of 749
 
No justice from Justice
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October 09, 2011

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/no_justice_from_justice_QBY3tMJGtJbaI5DjVLoTDM?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsite

Two things to know about Attorney General Eric Holder: He lied to the American people -- under oath, before Congress -- and thus is unfit to investigate allegations of criminal negligence in the Justice Department.

This is why House Republicans have called for a special prosecutor to investigate Holder for apparent perjury regarding his testimony on the administration’s “Fast and Furious” gun sting -- during which the US armed Mexican drug cartels with 2,500 high-powered, military-style weapons.

We’re no fans of special prosecutors; they tend to get out of control.




AP Eric Holder


But the Justice Department has spent the summer obstructing a congressional investigation into the sting, and therefore can’t be trusted to police itself.

Here’s why: On May 3, Holder was asked the simplest of questions before the House Judiciary Committee: When did you first know about Fast and Furious?

His answer: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

Yet documents published last week show he began receiving weekly memos from top lieutenants about the operation at least 10 months before that, in July 2010.

Press aides claim Holder misunderstood the question, which is unlikely. But his answer contained enough weasel-words -- e.g., “not sure” and “probably” -- to provide functional deniability.

Late Friday, Holder released a letter to Congress saying he has “no recollection of knowing about Fast and Furious or of hearing its name prior to the public controversy about it.”

Normal people, however, will recognize a lie when they hear one.

This is no small matter, given that:

* Starting in 2009, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms sold 2,500 firearms to mules who smuggled them over the border to the cartels.

* The point of the exercise was to track the weapons and snare cartel leaders -- but the agency lost track of nearly all the guns.

* Those weapons were later found abandoned at 200 crime scenes in Mexico -- and near the body of a murdered US Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry.

It was all just fuel for the fuego : Mexico is locked in an infernal drug war that has claimed 40,000 lives in the past five years.

So here was the ATF’s idea: Stop the flow of guns into Mexico ... by funneling thousands of guns into Mexico.

The leaked documents show Holder knew what was up even before Terry’s murder. Yet on Thursday, President Obama spoke of his “complete confidence” in Holder, whom he said had been “very aggressive in going after gun running ... in Mexico.”

Meanwhile, Justice officials have been fighting like rabid animals to cover up the operation since the moment the story broke -- further underscoring the need for a special prosecutor.

If Holder refuses to appoint one, the president needs to order him to do so.

Whatever Obama decides, though, it remains that an American agent was murdered, probably by a Fast and Furious weapon, and the Justice Department refuses to do anything about it.

This is shameful.

Read more: nypost.com



To: Carolyn who wrote (12)11/2/2011 4:24:34 PM
From: joseffy1 Recommendation  Respond to of 749
 
One Pivotal Week For Fast and Furious
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By
M. Catharine Evans October 31, 2011
americanthinker.com


This past week, top government leaders continued to spin the deadly 2009 gunwalking Fast and Furious operation as some low-level rogue operation. In addition, there were inside-the-Beltway rumors, letters sent between key players, and demands for Holder's resignation.

The heroic online journalists at sites like Sipsey Street Irregulars, PajamasMedia, and Townhall have worked for months uncovering facts leading to the foul murders of federal agents and Mexican citizens. During the week leading up to Halloween, certain signs appeared suggesting that their diligent work is beginning to yield some interesting fruit.

Working backwards Memento-style, here are the highlights in what may turn out to be a watershed week in the high-stakes scandal known as Fast and Furious.

  • Friday, October 28 2:24PM
Katie Pavlich reports from Townhall.com that Attorney General Holder will testify before the House Judiciary Committee on December 8.

Holder better get his lies, the lies of President Obama and the lies of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano in order before promising to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth about this deadly program. His testimony is sure to be "consistent and truthful" with his efforts to cover-up Fast and Furious since the beginning of the House Oversight Committee investigation.

Will he take the fifth?

  • Friday October 28
Representative Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, penned a letter to Chairman Issa suggesting that Kenneth Melson, the former head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, appear before the members to "help the Committee and the American people better understand what mistakes were made in Operation Fast and Furious, how these tactics originated, who did and did not authorize them, and what steps are being taken to ensure that they are not used again."

The tone of Cummings' letter should have interested parties a bit perplexed. The congressman sounds a lot more subdued and respectful towards Congressman Issa. Two weeks ago, an angry Cummings disparaged the chairman's investigation into Fast and Furious as a " deep-sea fishing expedition" and "political stunt." What's up, Mr. Cummings?

  • Thursday, October 27
Big media shill Jonathan Alter pens a comically dead serious editorial for Bloomberg.com entitled "Obama Miracle Is White House Free of Scandal."

President Barack Obama goes into the 2012 with a weak economy that may doom his reelection. But he has one asset that hasn't received much attention: He's honest.

Although it's possible that the Solyndra LLC story will become a classic feeding frenzy, don't bet on it. Providing $535 million in loan guarantees to a solar-panel maker that goes bankrupt was dumb, but so far not criminal or even unethical on the part of the administration

Every time Representative Darrell Issa, the Republican from California who leads a House investigative committee, calls the Obama administration "corrupt" without offering any evidence, he hurts his cause. It's much harder to make a story register as a bona fide scandal when the political motivation is so obvious.

How terrified are these people? Alter mentions Solyndra, a scandal covered by the mainstream media, but only alludes to Fast and Furious via Congressman Issa. This kind of over-the-top damage control must mean that F and F is sending shudders through the halls of power.

  • Thursday, October 27
Blogger Anthony Martin at Examiner.com reveals that there's a rumor swirling around D.C. that former Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, who abruptly resigned in December 2009, has turned over a stack of documents to Congressman Darrel Issa's Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Issa's office won't confirm or deny according to Martin.

One thing is for sure: by his own admission, Ogden was in on the ground floor of whatever the higher-ups were planning in secret meetings back in 2009. On March 24, 2009, Ogden spoke at a Department of Justice briefing and announced, "The President has directed us to take action to fight these cartels and Attorney General Holder and I are taking several new aggressive steps as part of the Administration's comprehensive plan."

If Ogden handed over documents that truly "vindicate ATF whistleblowers" and "confirm the guilt of the perpetrators of the scheme within the DOJ," then Issa needs to play it close to the vest. If this turns out to be just cover-up "disinformation," could Ogden be the administration's designated fall guy?

  • Thursday October 27
Appearing before the House Foreign Affair Committee, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Representative Connie Mack (R-Fla) that the State Department had not issued a license or waiver to "allow for the transfer of thousands of weapons across the US.-Mexico border." Clinton stated that "there is no record of any request for coordination. We have no record of any kind of notice or heads up."

Asked when she first heard about Fast and Furious, Mrs. Clinton stated, "[F]rom the press." When interviewed by a reporter from CNN Español in March 2011, President Obama gave a similar response, saying he first heard about the gun-trafficking program "in the news."

  • Wednesday, October 26
If anyone thought the internet would make old-fashioned letter-writing obsolete, think again. Hard-copy correspondence is making its way to major players allegedly involved in Fast and Furious. Representative Joe Walsh (R-Ill) joined the fray and wrote a no-holds-barred letter to Attorney General Eric Holder telling him "to resign immediately and issue an apology to the American people he has failed to serve." But the best part centered on Walsh's reference to the current "anti-gun administration."

This not only raises serious questions about your ability to serve as the head of the Justice Department, but also begs the question of why an anti-gun Administration would knowingly force licensed firearms dealers to sell guns to violent criminals. I raise this because Operation Fast and Furious - if the facts of this case had not come to light - would have been used by this Administration as another false argument to attack law-abiding American gun owners.

Representative Joe Walsh became the fourth congressman to demand Holder's resignation.

  • Wednesday, October 26
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano got a grilling during a House Judiciary hearing from Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), Representative Trent Gowdy (R-SC), and Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) ( see video).

The "testy" stone-faced secretary showed little empathy for the murdered agents despite her defensive remarks.

I think we all should be outraged at the death of Agent Terry and I think the first thing is to recognize who actually killed him and that our No. 1 priority was to make sure the shooters were found - some had gone back into Mexico - and that the FBI was in charge of that investigation.

Napolitano then called Operation Fast and Furious "troublesome" and denied any involvement, conveniently passing the buck to the Department of Justice. She spoke in the customary cover-up language, advising committee members not to "rush to judgment" and promising that "there will be lessons learned from this."

  • Tuesday, October 25
Congressman Darrell Issa (R-Ca), chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Senator Chuck Grassley, ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee sent a letter to Attorney General Holder, head of the Department of Justice, demanding answers on the murder of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata on February 15, 2011. Zapata was shot to death while driving on a highway near the northern city of San Luis Potosi. A fellow agent was wounded in the deadly attack.

The letter "raises red flags about the nature of the ATF investigation" into Zapata's killing. The opening paragraphs cites a March 1, 2011 ATF press release denying knowledge of Otilio Osorio's purchase of the weapon on September 17, 2010 used to kill Zapata in February 2011.

According to ATF documents, however, the agency had reason to believe as early as September 17, 2010, that Otilio's brother, and co-habitant Ranfari Osorio, and their next-door neighbor Kelvin Morrison were straw purchasers. Yet the ATF apparently made no effort to contact Ranfari Osorio or Kelvin Morrison and inquire about how their weapons came to be trafficked to Mexico within 2 weeks of their purchase.

The ATF did not submit a Report of Investigation (ROI) on a November 9, 2010 transfer of firearms among the Osorio brothers, Morrison, and a Dallas ATF confidential informant until February 25, "the same day ATF received the report tracing the Zapata murder weapon back to the purchase by Otilio Osorio."

The letter implicates Operation Fast and Furious as a game of Russian roulette with other people's lives.

At the heart of the Operation Fast and Furious debacle stands the memory of the victims and their families' search for the truth. It's becoming clearer and clearer each day this investigation may end at the White House. AG Holder has already perjured himself in front of a congressional hearing, and what the mainstream media once termed a "botched sting operation" is turning into a mass murder tragedy threatening to upend our rule of law.

Read more M. Catharine Evans at Potter Williams Report.