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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Don Hurst who wrote (114771)10/5/2011 10:26:04 PM
From: Jorj X Mckie3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224750
 
for the record, I believe that a private business has the absolute right to say "we do not allow firearms in our establishment. Perfectly reasonable request. I'd be amazed if any tea party member or libertarian disagreed with that.

As far as your generalizing based on isolated actors in specific instances, there are plenty of generalizations that we can make about liberals based on the actions of a few misguided idiots. It's yet another eye-rolling moment to hear a liberal painting all conservatives/tea partiers/republicans with the same brush based on the actions of one or two individuals.



To: Don Hurst who wrote (114771)10/6/2011 1:20:21 AM
From: Neeka3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224750
 
The point is this is still a free country when It comes to state laws regarding gun rights. Starbucks is a good example of corporate America............the one the ignorant Wall St protestors would like to control. I think they have made a prudent and wise choice to focus on their product and leave legislation up to voters and their elected representatives. They aren't in the business of insulting potential customers by making political statements, and they obviously have a lot more faith in their fellow man than 2nd Amendment opponents.

And for the record, I am none of what you describe, and I don't know anyone who is. Just because someone thinks differently than you about issues doesn't mean they are a monster, it means they've had a different upbringing, and have been taught to appreciate that which you might find difficult or impossible.

cheers executions, boos gay Iraq vets, yells "let em die" at the uninsured, boos any effort to discuss sensible immigration reform or efforts to save our planet or reduce our senseless military overspend and overreach.



To: Don Hurst who wrote (114771)10/6/2011 8:29:42 AM
From: lorne3 Recommendations  Respond to of 224750
 
don...."And to me it is the same type of person that cheers executions, boos gay Iraq vets, yells "let em die" at the uninsured, boos any effort to discuss sensible immigration reform or efforts to save our planet or reduce our senseless military overspend and overreach."....

Well don, hussein obama's idiots appear to be the " same type of person " you refer to...do you agree?
Obama's people GAVE guns to known killers..murderers.

Congressman: Obama admin may be accessory to murder with ‘Fast and Furious’
10/05/2011
By Matthew Boyle -
The Daily Caller
dailycaller.com

Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be accessories to murder.

“We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity, where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals, where our livelihoods are at risk,” Gosar said in a phone interview. “When you facilitate that and a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means that there’s criminal activity.”

Gosar said the government should be held to the same standard as everyone else. Fast and Furious weapons were used to kill U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, as well as scores of Mexican citizens, and he thinks administration officials should be held accountable.

“We impugn the private sector, we impugn main street America, and the bureaucracy cannot be held to any different standard whatsoever,” Gosar told TheDC, insisting that Justice Department and ATF officials “intentionally — intentionally — violated the law.”

Gosar said the administration was “showing an intentional, wanton disregard for the law,” and that “there’s got to be consequences for that.”

“Leadership has a price,” he added.

Gosar said he’s confident the Congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious will eventually include either the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, or both.

“I’ve said all along, you’re dealing with a foreign country, you’re talking about an international border — that’s the Secretary of State and of Homeland Security,” Gosar said. “If you weren’t briefing them, it’s even worse that we had vigilantes from DOJ going unchecked and we did not tell our folks in Mexico about this.”

“This should have been a Cabinet [issue], and I keep saying it all along,” Gosar continued. “He [Holder] points to Homeland Security Secretary [Janet] Napolitano in this and I would have no doubts — I’m a common sense person — that this should have also involved the secretary of state, which means everybody knew — and we’re starting to see that in the document dump from the White House.”

As new documents showing how many more senior political officials in the Obama administration were aware of Fast and Furious continue to surface, Gosar said it’s becoming clearer that senior officials in the Obama administration are responsible for the program. The latest documents to surface indicate that Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed on Operation Fast and Furious at least two times in 2010, despite Holder’s May 3 testimony that he had only learned of the gun walking operation a few weeks before his Congressional appearance.