To: RetiredNow who wrote (102867 ) 10/7/2011 8:25:59 AM From: RetiredNow Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 149317 Thread, Anyone still believe that Keynesianism and Quantitative Easing are the cure? Japan already tried it and are still at it. Two decades later, their stock market is down by 75% and they are at 300%+ debt to GDP ratio. They have a youth population that is in despair and they see no way out of their mess. Is that what everyone hear wants for the US? Vote for Obama and you shall have it. But be careful what you ask for, when you get it, you won't like it one bit. Obama's economic policies are a continuation of the root cause of the mess, NOT the solution. He's well-meaning, but he doesn't understand economics. That much has become clear. Folks this isn't about partisan politics. You all know that I've voted both GOP and Democrat. In the last two elections, I voted for Kerry and then Obama, because I was so fed up with Bush and the GOP. If you have read my posts over the last decade, you KNOW that I am an unbiased, practical person who calls out the facts as I see them and they don't hew to a political ideology of any sort. I'm telling you now that, as unpopular as this is on this thread, Keynesianism and endless bailouts and money printing is NOT the answer to what ails the US. A vote for Obama is a vote for more of all of that. We are already becoming Japan and as you can see in the article below, we absolutely do NOT want to become Japan. --------------------------Some Sobering Charts zerohedge.com Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/06/2011 21:54 -0400 Even a traditionally optimistic Michael Darda, of MKM Partners , is having trouble discovering the silver lining among the flotsam and jetsam that is the global macro-economic ocean currently. The Japanification theme continues with five charts offering too-correlated-to-be-ignored perspectives on equities, money supply/velocity, valuations/multiples, and demographics.An updated chart of Japan versus U.S. equities is breathtakingly grim . This chart originally ran as a Bloomberg “Chart of the Day” back in August. The chart may tell us what is in store if eurozone policymakers fail to forestall a collapse of Italy/Spain. The ECB's reluctance to even take back the errant rate hikes imposed earlier this year—the least it could do, in our view—is not encouraging in this regard. A high ratio of liquidity doesn’t guarantee a rise in risk assets or nominal income, as Japan has found out over the last two decades . Tightening credit markets are an ongoing threat to the velocity of money. Low long rates have not led to higher P/E ratios in Japan. Moreover, long rates tend to move with expected nominal growth prospects, which is why they have been closely correlated to movements in equity prices over the last several years. Like Japan, the U.S. is facing demographic challenges, albeit not to the same degree (i.e., we are not headed for negative population growth) . However, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco has done work on equity multiples and societal age distribution (middle-aged cohort versus the old-age cohort) and has found a stunningly close relationship that does not bode well for a rise in earnings multiples from here. Indeed, the researchers note that, “the actual P/E ratio should decline…to 8.3x in 2025 before recovering to about 9x in 2030.”