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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (3002)10/9/2011 3:10:24 PM
From: Brumar892 Recommendations  Respond to of 85487
 
Excuse me but it looks like you ignored my question and drug up some irrelevant material to post as a reply. Why?

Try again:

Being a paid up member of things with science in the name, maybe you can explain the scientific reasons for changing historic temperature records. Is this kind of Stalinist rewriting of history really what you think science is all about?

The True Cause Of Global Warming

It's Mann-made ... and Hansen-made. The USSR had nothing on NASA GISS when it comes to historical revisionism.


Posted on October 6, 2011 by Steven Goddard

Prior to the year 2000, Hansen showed US temperatures cooling since the 1930s. This obviously wasn’t going to bring funding in, so the temperature record was altered to create a hockey stick.



Hansen wrote this in 1999

Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought. The drought of 1999 covered a smaller area than the 1988 drought, when the Mississippi almost dried up. And 1988 was a temporary inconvenience as compared with repeated droughts during the 1930s “Dust Bowl” that caused an exodus from the prairies, as chronicled in Steinbeck’sGrapes of Wrath.

How can the absence of clear climate change in the United States be reconciled with continued reports of record global temperature? Part of the “answer” is that U.S. climate has been following a different course than global climate, at least so far. Figure 1 compares the temperature history in the U.S. and the world for the past 120 years. The U.S. has warmed during the past century, but the warming hardly exceeds year-to-year variability. Indeed, in the U.S. the warmest decade was the 1930s and the warmest year was 1934.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/%3C/u%3E%3C/a%3E[/url]

http://www.real-science.com/true-global-warming?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Real-Science%2Ffeed+%28Real+Science%29&utm_content=Google+Reader



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (3002)10/10/2011 2:16:47 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 85487
 
'Nature' prints piece critical of concensus as a scientific idea:

Sarewitz on Consensus


Writing in Nature this week, Dan Sarewitz reflects on his recent participation on the BPC Geoengineering Climate Remediation task force and why efforts to achieve consensus in science may leave out some of the most important aspects of science. Here is an excerpt:

The very idea that science best expresses its authority through consensus statements is at odds with a vibrant scientific enterprise. Consensus is for textbooks; real science depends for its progress on continual challenges to the current state of always-imperfect knowledge. Science would provide better value to politics if it articulated the broadest set of plausible interpretations, options and perspectives, imagined by the best experts, rather than forcing convergence to an allegedly unified voice.

Yet, as anyone who has served on a consensus committee knows, much of what is most interesting about a subject gets left out of the final report. For months, our geoengineering group argued about almost every issue conceivably related to establishing a research programme. Many ideas failed to make the report — not because they were wrong or unimportant, but because they didn't attract a political constituency in the group that was strong enough to keep them in. The commitment to consensus therefore comes at a high price: the elimination of proposals and alternatives that might be valuable for decision-makers dealing with complex problems.

Some consensus reports do include dissenting views, but these are usually relegated to a section at the back of the report, as if regretfully announcing the marginalized views of one or two malcontents. Science might instead borrow a lesson from the legal system. When the US Supreme Court issues a split decision, it presents dissenting opinions with as much force and rigour as the majority position. Judges vote openly and sign their opinions, so it is clear who believes what, and why — a transparency absent from expert consensus documents. Unlike a pallid consensus, a vigorous disagreement between experts would provide decision-makers with well-reasoned alternatives that inform and enrich discussions as a controversy evolves, keeping ideas in play and options open.Not surprisingly, Dan and I have come to similar conclusions on this subject. Back in 2001 in Nature I wrote ( PDF):

[E]fforts to reduce uncertainty via ‘consensus science’ — such as scientific assessments — are misplaced. Consensus science can provide only an illusion of certainty. When consensus is substituted for a diversity of perspectives, it may in fact unnecessarily constrain decision-makers’ options. Take for example weather forecasters, who are learning that the value to society of their forecasts is enhanced when decision-makers are provided with predictions in probabilistic rather than categorical fashion and decisions are made in full view of uncertainty.

As a general principle, science and technology will contribute more effectively to society’ needs when decision-makers base their expectations on a full distribution of outcomes, and then make choices in the face of the resulting — perhaps considerable — uncertainty.In addition to leaving behind much of the interesting aspects of science, in my experience, the purpose of developing a "consensus" is to to quash dissent and end debate. Is it any wonder that policy discussions in the face of such a perspective are a dialogue of the like minded? In contrast, as Sarewitz writes, "a vigorous disagreement between experts would provide decision-makers with well-reasoned alternatives that inform and enrich discussions as a controversy evolves, keeping ideas in play and options open."

Posted by Roger Pielke, Jr

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2011/10/sarewitz-on-consensus.html



To: Wharf Rat who wrote (3002)10/12/2011 1:32:30 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 85487
 
Our sustainable mirth

Greenie scientists, peer reviewers and journal publishers can't spell. Among other mistakes. Jam-packed with facts too good to check. What lefties are doing to science.

Posted on October 12, 2011 by Anthony Watts

Another successfully peer reviewed paper from the IOP. Spell check optional.

Bishop Hill writes of a new paper, one so “toe curling” it is worth mentioning here to get more exposure. He writes:

This is science? This is progress?

Reports on Progress in Physics, a journal published by the Institute of Physics here in the UK, has published a paper by Raymond Orbach, an engineer at the University of Texas at Austin. It’s available in return for free registration, and I actually think it’s worth it, if only because it’s so toe-curling.

In some ways the paper’s title tells you all you need to know about it. `Our Sustainable Earth’ looks at (you guessed it) eight climate myths propagated by bad people. Like every other set of climate myths you have ever seen, each of the myths is entirely devoid of sources – Orbach has taken them from this page at his university’s website. Where they got them from is a mystery.

In fact, absence of citations is a bit of an issue.
Here’s how Orbach starts to deal with claims about the medieval warm period.

Climate scientists now understand that the Medieval Warm Period was caused by an increase in solar radiation and a decrease in volcanic activity, which both promote warming. Other evidence suggests ocean circulation patterns shifted to bring warmer seawater into the North Atlantic. Those kinds of natural changes have not been detected in the past few decades.

Interesting claims – but where did they come from? We are not told. We are expected to take Prof Obach on trust. At the risk of repeating myself, one would never get away with this kind of thing on a blog.

(PS: Note to Prof Orbach – the ocean near the top of the globe is the Arctic (with a c in the middle). And it’s Santer not Senter.



wattsupwiththat.com

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Bob Tisdale says:

October 12, 2011 at 1:27 am

Orbach should have consulted RealClimate before he published his nonsensical paper. The discussion of the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) in the Orbach paper
“Other evidence suggests ocean circulation patterns shifted to bring warmer seawater into the North Atlantic. Those kinds of natural changes have not been detected in the past few decades.”
…is contradicted by the RealClimate AMO webpage:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/11/atlantic-multidecadal-oscillation-amo/
RealClimate writes: “This pattern is believed to describe some of the observed early 20th century (1920s-1930s) high-latitude Northern Hemisphere warming and some, but not all, of the high-latitude warming observed in the late 20th century.”

Orbach also notes how the GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index data includes the Arctic, but he should have noted the bogus method GISS employs to extend land surface temperature data out over open ocean (in areas with seasonal sea ice). In effect, GISS deletes Sea Surface Temperature data so that they can replace it with land surface data, with its greater variability. Refer to:
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/giss-deletes-arctic-and-southern-ocean-sea-surface-temperature-data/

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David Middleton says:

October 12, 2011 at 3:58 am

Even the Aggiest of Aggies can spell better than this Tea Sipper.

Dr. Orbach scored a perfect trfecta: Ignorance of Quaternary geology, ignorance of Hansonian data manufacturing methods and he misspelled Arctic & climatic in a paper dealing with Arctic climatic variation.

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Geoff says:

October 12, 2011 at 8:18 am

This is more than astonishing. First you need to understand who Dr. Orbach is. Read his background at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.Ramond_L._Orbach . Then will understand that he was in charge of all science funding at the DOE during his tenture as Under Secretary for Science. It was this department that has funded Phil Jones in the past, and funds Ben Santer and the climate modelling efforts at Lawrence Livermore Lab among many others. The research budget just for the Biological and Environmentaal Research section (which includes climate) is over US$ 400 million for this year.

From his lack of understanding of many issues and his highly prejudicial treatment of different views, it is not surprising that many scientists have found it difficult to get their projects funded if they did not share the CAGW viewpoint.

He’s even claiming to have found the tropical troposphere “hotspot” when even Dr.Syukuro Manabe, the godfather of climate modeling, now agrees with Fred Singer that it’s not there (see Fu, 2011) and that climate models overstate the warming by 2 to 4 times.

Besides the article being an embarassment, it provides strong evidence of the high probability of exclusionary standards in funding climate science.

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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (3002)10/15/2011 10:27:50 AM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 85487
 
EPA's CO2 Endangerment Finding is Endangered

By
S. Fred Singer

In a narrow 5-4 decision in 2007, the US Supreme Court, authorized the EPA to consider the greenhouse gas CO2 as a 'pollutant' under the terms of the Clean Air Act -- provided EPA could demonstrate that CO2 posed a threat to human health and welfare. (CO2 is a colorless gas, non-toxic and non-irritating, and a natural constituent of the atmosphere. In the geological past, CO2 levels have undergone wide variations -- from as low as one half up to twenty times the present level.)The EPA then issued an Endangerment Finding (EF) in 2009, which was promptly challenged in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. One of the challenges came from the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) and the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP). We questioned both the procedure and the validity of the underlying science used by the EPA, as embodied in their TSD (Technical Support Document).As my CEI colleague Marlo Lewis relates, the EPA's Inspector General (IG) released a report in September 2011, finding that EPA did not meet applicable federal Information (or Data) Quality Act (IQA) standards when developing the TSD.The IG argued that the TSD is a "highly influential scientific assessment," and therefore should have been subjected to the most rigorous form of peer review. EPA fell short of the mark by not publishing the comments of the agency's 12-member peer-review panel, and by placing an EPA employee on the panel, compromising its independence.

EPA claims it met all IQA standards because the TSD, far from being a "highly influential scientific assessment," is not a "scientific assessment" at all. According to EPA, the TSD did not involve any weighing of data, information, or studies. Rather, the TSD simply summarizes assessments of other authorities, principally the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the US National Academy's National Research Council (NRC), and the US Global Change Research Program (USGCRP). [Note that neither NRC and USGCRP are "independent;" both reports are based on the IPCC, whose own Assessment has been compromised by the revelations of the Climategate e-mails.]

But in so saying, EPA may have leapt from the frying pan into the fire, because in the ongoing litigation over EPA's greenhouse gas regulations, a key claim made by the petitioners Coalition for Responsible Regulation is that when EPA developed its TSD and associated EF, it unlawfully outsourced its "judgment" to the IPCC and other non-agency experts.

The Coalition then sent a "request for judicial notice" to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, asking the Court to take cognizance of the IG report and consider its implications for the case. [Marlo Lewis has written an informative and extremely useful article about this new development at GlobalWarming.Org]

After all of the responses and briefs are filed, the Court may issue a decision around mid-2012.

Faulty EPA Science

The lack of an independent analysis of the science underlying the EF puts the burden right back on the soundness of the science used by the IPCC, which is the main source of the TSD. [The NRC and USGCRP reports draw on the same IPCC data and models, and are not independent.]

But the science is certainly inadequate to support the IPCC conclusion of anthropogenic global warming (AGW).

1. The IPCC's own data contradict its own model results -- as a simple comparison shows. Although the issue had been contentious, with one group claiming a disparity (Douglass, Christy, Pearson, and Singer, published in Int'l Journal of Climatology 2007) and the other group claiming "consistency" (Santer and 16 co-authors, published in IJC 2008), all now concur that "agreement between models and observations...is non-existent" in the crucial location, the upper tropical troposphere, above 5 miles (Thorne et al, published in Journal of Geophysical Research 2011).2. Further, (non-linear) climate models are subject to chaotic uncertainties; each model run shows a different temperature trend. Hence, the IPCC models cannot be validated against observations. Our NIPCC studies show that at least 10 runs have to be performed and averaged in order to obtain consistent temperature trends. (But about half of the 22 IPCC models had only one or two runs; none had more than five.)

3. Finally, the latest (2007) IPCC Assessment bases its conclusion about AGW on a reported global warming of the past 50 years. It says: "Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely [90 to 99% certain] due to the observed increase in greenhouse gas concentrations." [Ref: IPCC-AR4 2007, Summary for Policymakers, page 10.]

But the global surface warming reported since 1979 is fake; it does not exist -- as demonstrated by NIPCC in several other data sets: Atmospheric temperatures show no warming trend, as seen both by balloon-borne radiosondes and independent satellite observations. The reported warming of the sea surface can be traced to instrumental problems. And the available proxy data show no post-1979 warming.The reason for the reported surface warming, as reported by the IPCC, is still unclear. But it is likely due to a selection of weather stations that favors an increasing fraction of urban stations and airports, which show a local warming trend because of increasing air traffic.It will be interesting to see the reaction of IPCC scientists, once these data are fully published and accepted by the scientific community. It is unlikely, therefore, that the EPA's TSD will stand. And without the TSD, the Endangerment Finding is toast - and so is regulation of carbon dioxide.

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Atmospheric physicist S. Fred Singer is Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia and founding director of the US Weather Satellite Service (now NESDIS-NOAA). He is a Fellow of the Heartland Institute and the Independent Institute. His book "Unstoppable Global Warming - Every 1500 Years" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2007) presents the evidence for natural climate cycles of warming and cooling and became a NY Times best-seller. He is the organizer of NIPCC (Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change, editor of its 2008 report "Nature - Not Human Activity - Rules the Climate", and coauthor of "Climate Change Reconsidered," published in 2009, with conclusions contrary to those of the IPCC < http://www.nipccreport.org/>. As a reviewer of IPCC reports, he presumably shares the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore and 2000 others.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/epas_co2_endangerment_finding_is_endangered.html