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To: RetiredNow who wrote (103254)	10/20/2011 7:15:00 PM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 149317

If the “Occupy” Movement and Tea Party Join Together, We Can End the Malignant Partnership Between Big Government Submitted by George Washington on 10/20/2011 18:21 -0400 Corruption Federal Reserve Gallup Karl Denninger Rogue Trader zerohedge.com Mike Krieger writes today: The reason the liberal mainstream corporate media demonized the Tea Party is because it threatens the status quo. The reason the conservative corporate mainstream media demonizes Occupy Wall Street is because it threatens the status quo. These are textbook divide and conquer strategies being used on the American people. Do not fall for it. Yesterday I read a really interesting gallup poll that stated: “Not surprisingly, Americans who consider themselves supporters of the Occupy Wall Street movement (26% of all Americans) are more likely to blame Wall Street than the federal government for the nation’s economic problems. Supporters of the Tea Party movement (22% of Americans) are overwhelmingly likely to blame the government.” What is most compelling to me is that 26%+22% = 48% so basically almost a majority. All we need to do is teach people that Washington D.C. and Wall Street are now the same corrupt entity. They are one gigantic rogue trader sucking the lifeblood out of America. If we can unite these forces, which I can say with certainty agree on the important issues, we can put an end to the status quo and free ourselves of this bondage. Many others agree with Krieger. As Raw Story notes, free speech advocate Lawrence Lessig told the Occupy DC rally: The tea party is also part of the 99 Percent. “What is inspiring about this movement is its potential… to rally our country around an idea that we all believe fundamentally: this government is corrupt,” he said. *** “[2008] is the first time in American history where we have seen a collapse followed by no fundamental re-regulation of the financial services sector, because they have the power to block change from either the Democrats and Republicans.” “They hold this country hostage because of that power, because of that corruption,” he continued. He went on to recall a time he went to a tea party conference, only to hear legitimately angry, homespun grassroots activists talk about this very problem in the same manner as the “Occupy” groups, who he said should put aside what they believe as far as gay rights or abortion or other social wedge issues. “You can build this movement to unite America around this idea that the time for crony capitalism must come to an end,” Lessig said. “There is no one on the left or the right who defends the system of crony capitalism, they just practice it.” I have repeatedly noted that conservatives are wary of big government and liberals are wary of big corporations, but that all Americans hate the system of crony capitalism (also known as “socialism” or “fascism” ) which we have today. As I wrote Tuesday: So who is really to blame … Wall Street or Washington? The answer – which can only be seen if we take of our partisan blinders long enough to look around – is both. It's like covering up one eye in a 3-D movie ... you lose most of the image. Being a partisan Democrat or partisan Republican is using only one of your eyes, and missing the big picture in the process. The Oath Keepers and a founding member of the Tea Party announced that they are supporting the current protests on Wall Street and against the Federal Reserve. Another key founder of the Tea Party – Karl Denninger – also supports the protests, and points out that the demands of the Tea Party protesters were originally very similar to those of the Occupy protesters (before the mainstream Republican party co-opted the Tea Party) . Numerous local tea party leaders, such as the leader for the Trenton area, also support the Occupy protests. But the truth is that – even if more people currently support the Occupy protests than support the Tea Party – the Occupy protesters should listen to the wisdom from the real, non-coopted Tea Partiers, and not simply patronize them. Because government is at least half the problem, and Obama does not support the 99%. Any Occupy protesters who believe that government will solve all of our problems needs to learn both sides of the story (and see this). Note: While mainstream Democrats will attempt to vilify the Tea Party for its calls to slash the budget, and mainstream Republicans will attempt to demonize the Occupy protesters for their calls for spending, the truth is that we can all unite against corrupt policy which doesn’t work.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (103254)	10/23/2011 4:28:04 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 149317

I know you aren't. Most of your positions are well reasoned. However, I have to be honest with you. I just don't get your support for the banks. It doesn't jive with all the other positions you've take in the past. You've always been a person so closely aligned with the 99% and so conscious of the pain we all feel. So this position of yours just doesn't make sense to me given your history of ideas on these threads. MM, I don't like the banks any more than you do. However, I can't see tearing them down and starting all over. I believe that changes can be made to make the banks more answerable to authorities without a total restructuring. I just don't agree with you that free markets is the way to make that happen.