To: bart13 who wrote (81895 ) 10/21/2011 4:20:09 PM From: Maurice Winn 1 Recommendation Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 220012 For a couple of years we lived in Antwerp and the meat was so bad we pretty well gave up eating it. I don't know how they grow their cattle but seeing a cattle parade, they were weird looking creatures, presumably full of growth hormone and fed some cheap fast-growth fodder. We went to dinner at some Argentinian diplomat's place and they served Argentinian beef. OMG it was fantastic. If people are going to mess with nature, they have to do a better job, not a worse one. Same with eggs. The producers go for superficial characteristics rather than quality. The eggs we got from my grandmother's neighbour 50 years ago were the sort of eggs that are fit for human consumption. And the eggs a bantam produced while foraging in our residential garden 10 years ago. And the eggs a friend produced from a few they kept on their lifestyle farm. So yes, you are right that messing with nature normally is a bad idea, but that's only because it's done badly. But done right, things are greatly improved. For example corn now is amazing stuff compared with what we grew 50 years ago which was great if picked and eaten immediately. If not fast, the sugars turned to starch a few hours later. Leave out the enzyme from the new breed, select for size and tenderness and what have you without losing the essential ingredients. I'd be happy with stem cell beef and fish but only if it actually is better than the "real" thing. Investing in better food is the way to go - not just buying land speculatively to feed the hungry hordes, which in 2037 will start declining. Our stomachs can eat only a certain quantity of food. No matter how good it is, enough is enough. Food prices are rising because people can make more money doing other things. Rice growers in China can get a higher paid job at Foxconn making iPhones. So we have to pay them more to stick with rice. Or invent a better rice growing method. Stop producing biofuels too - a silly idea as oil is cheap and there is lots of room for more CO2 in the air. Mqurice