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To: stockman_scott who wrote (174399)10/23/2011 2:48:12 PM
From: koan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541858
 
I become cynical, time and again, at people's refusal to acknowledge facts right in front of their face and it raises my spirits when I see you and Bentway and Wharfy still standing and questioning authority and common knowledge and refusing to bend to the social pressure to conform to neurotic ideas.

I have posted this many times, but it is one of my ten favorite quotes.

Erich f\Fromm: "the most neurotic person is he who adjusts successfully to a neurotic system".

And more from Fromm:

3. Automaton conformity. Authoritarians escape by hiding within an authoritarian hierarchy. But our society emphasizes equality! There is less hierarchy to hide in (though plenty remains for anyone who wants it, and some who don't). When we need to hide, we hide in our mass culture instead. When I get dressed in the morning, there are so many decisions! But I only need to look at what you are wearing, and my frustrations disappear. Or I can look at the television, which, like a horoscope, will tell me quickly and effectively what to do. If I look like, talk like, think like, feel like... everyone else in my society, then I disappear into the crowd, and I don't need to acknowledge my freedom or take responsibility. It is the horizontal counterpart to authoritarianism.

The person who uses automaton conformity is like a social chameleon: He takes on the coloring of his surroundings. Since he looks like a million other people, he no longer feels alone. He isn't alone, perhaps, but he's not himself either. The automaton conformist experiences a split between his genuine feelings and the colors he shows the world, very much along the lines of Horney's theory.

In fact, since humanity's "true nature" is freedom, any of these escapes from freedom alienates us from ourselves. Here's what Fromm had to say:

    Man is born as a freak of nature, being within nature and yet transcending it. He has to find principles of action and decision making which replace the principles of instincts. he has to have a frame of orientation which permits him to organize a consistent picture of the world as a condition for consistent actions. He has to fight not only against the dangers of dying, starving, and being hurt, but also against another anger which is specifically human: that of becoming insane. In other words, he has to protect himself not only against the danger of losing his life but also against the danger of losing his mind. (Fromm, 1968, p. 61)

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (174399)10/23/2011 4:28:30 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 541858
 
re weed: "Apparently, the President has changed his mind."

I guess he has. We'll (Calif) be in the news soon.About 30 more days B4 they will raid the clubs. Apparently the owner of the one in town gets stopped by the blue meanies all the time.We've had a bunch of DEA narcs in town who inserted themselves in some segment of grower society. There are sordid tales of lust and intrigue and local-federal extra-curricular activities which violate some Commandment and such. I expect some of them will try to be part of Occupy Ukiah.
Should be a good season for those who have, cuz they hit the MexMafia scenes in the National Forest this summer. That's very good.

Even better, while editing, I came up the idea of occupying the Ukiah DEA. Think I'll suggest that.