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To: John Vosilla who wrote (174461)10/24/2011 1:04:21 PM
From: Sultan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541477
 
"We used to take advantage of everyone else"

He wants to go back to the old good days..



To: John Vosilla who wrote (174461)10/24/2011 1:17:54 PM
From: Cogito  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541477
 
>>Love him or hate him Trump makes a lot of sense <<

No, he doesn't. He thinks one can run a country the way you run a hotel or a casino - that it's all a matter of being a loud-mouthed tough guy. But even his casinos go bankrupt.

By the way, the Chinese wouldn't hesitate to just liquidate all 1.1 trillion of the T-Bills they hold, sending prices through the floor and interest rates way up. They can afford to take the loss. They're not the ones who are in debt. We don't have all the power. We have some, but not all.

Trump is an ignorant lout.

He's not wrong about everything, however. He's right in saying that we should be investing in infrastructure now.



To: John Vosilla who wrote (174461)10/24/2011 1:19:11 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541477
 
Here are some interesting comments responding to Trump's interview:

See China isn't taking our jobs, American businesses are sending them there. When is the US going to stop catering to big corporations. It shouldn't be let's give businesses incentives to create jobs here. It should be, "you're an American company and you ship jobs overseas we are going to tax the hell out of you. And yeah right now Trump is talking about how China is investing in infrastructure and we aren't doing it. Hello the President has a jobs bill proposing that exact same thing.
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Where was The Donald's Big Mouth when we were spending gazillions on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; between 3.2 and 4 TRILLION dollars to date and, oh yes, blood! Last year? $720 Million a day! That's where a lot of the money went. And the Bush Cheney team kept the accounting OFF THE BOOKS!

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Trump sounds better this time around. I hope he's sincere in spite of the non-sense Obama birth certificate. How's his real estate business doing?

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Donald Trump is in absolutely no position to give any advice on the economy. His business ventures have gone into bankruptcy numerous times, and he shows absolutely no remorse about what this has meant to his creditors or to the MANY employees of his failed projects that are now unemployed. Has anyone done a study about how many jobs his business practices have eliminated, versus how man jobs he claims he has "created"? Does anybody thinks he cares how many jobs disappear when he chooses to file chapter 11? Mr. Trump is a really good example of exactly why this country is facing such economic difficulty, especially among the poor and middle class. His net wealth has hardly been dented, but his self-serving greed has cost others billions. Let's stop making heros out of the people who don't give a rat's behind about anyone else's "economy" but their own. Mr Trump doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he can engage in blatant self-promotion while raking in tons of cash. The word is hypocrite at best; crook at worst.Economist? Example of wise and fair business practices? Please.
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WOW! Donald finally opens his eyes and sees 3rd world USA by looking at airports. He should take a drive through our inner cities. The USA may not have a single city in the world's top 20. Maybe Donald, you should compare other aspects of America to foreign nations, like healthcare costs, campaign financing (bribery), tax rates, nationwide standards of living, vacation benefits, job protection, immigration policies, military costs, anti trust law enforcement. You will find we are very far behind and to pretend that we are still the world leader is joke on us.

We are not a respected country because our leaders are all greedy pigs who only see this country the same as the Chinese - a country to be pillaged. There is not a single politician or business leader who cares about this country. They would see it burned to the ground for fistfull of dollars.

Crumbling bridges are not the problem Donald, they are a symptom.

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Outsourcing is such a great topic. Key point is we are pushing jobs to lower wage countries to help a US companies bottom line. Nothing to do with productivity. It is sad times when an executives wage goes up (1 person) when many employees lose there jobs to overseas. This has always been bad press in the US .. so US companies now outsource to US IBM (for example) and all seems well. US IBM will use 90% India IBM for this contract. Win-Win except for the US employee who is now out of work.

Give Donald credit for not sugar coating the downfall of the US.
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Vendor finance from China is here to stay - they loan us (the US) money to buy their crap. Our economy has evolved to accomodate this system and change would be harsh to say the least and most people will take the devil they know.
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Lamenting the state of America's roads, bridges and airports vs. those in the world's emerging economies, Trump breaks with Republican orthodoxy and endorses big infrastructure spending. "I'm talking common sense," he says. "Our country has to rebuild itself."
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Two of the biggest and most successful Companies have their products made in China - Apple and Walmart. If we closed that spicket today, even if we wanted to - we could not get manufacturing going in America to provide the supply needed. The few manufacturers that we have left in the USA are having a harder time finding skilled tradesman. Nobody is going into the apprenticeship jobs anymore, because there are no opportunities. And lastly, we are the ones that created the demand for low cost products. To expect people to pay more is like raising taxes - nobody will want to do it.

finance.yahoo.com



To: John Vosilla who wrote (174461)10/24/2011 2:23:37 PM
From: KyrosL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541477
 
A trade war with China will not create jobs in the US. It will shift jobs to Indonesia, India, Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc. Besides, the US trade deficit is shrinking. There are projections that in a few years we will be running a surplus, largely on the basis of being self sufficient in oil/natural gas. This is not a time to start a trade war, whose consequences may be dire not only for China but also for us.

Here is a fellow that thinks the trends are favoring us. I agree with a lot of what he says:

World power swings back to America

The American phoenix is slowly rising again. Within five years or so, the US will be well on its way to self-sufficiency in fuel and energy. Manufacturing will have closed the labour gap with China in a clutch of key industries. The current account might even be in surplus.





The making of computers, electrical equipment, machinery, autos and other goods may shift back to the US from China. Photo: AP

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor

Assumptions that the Great Republic must inevitably spiral into economic and strategic decline - so like the chatter of the late 1980s, when Japan was in vogue - will seem wildly off the mark by then.

Telegraph readers already know about the "shale gas revolution" that has turned America into the world’s number one producer of natural gas, ahead of Russia.

Less known is that the technology of hydraulic fracturing - breaking rocks with jets of water - will also bring a quantum leap in shale oil supply, mostly from the Bakken fields in North Dakota, Eagle Ford in Texas, and other reserves across the Mid-West.

"The US was the single largest contributor to global oil supply growth last year, with a net 395,000 barrels per day (b/d)," said Francisco Blanch from Bank of America, comparing the Dakota fields to a new North Sea.

Total US shale output is "set to expand dramatically" as fresh sources come on stream, possibly reaching 5.5m b/d by mid-decade. This is a tenfold rise since 2009.

The US already meets 72pc of its own oil needs, up from around 50pc a decade ago.

"The implications of this shift are very large for geopolitics, energy security, historical military alliances and economic activity. As US reliance on the Middle East continues to drop, Europe is turning more dependent and will likely become more exposed to rent-seeking behaviour from oligopolistic players," said Mr Blanch.

Meanwhile, the China-US seesaw is about to swing the other way. Offshoring is out, 're-inshoring' is the new fashion.

"Made in America, Again" - a report this month by Boston Consulting Group - said Chinese wage inflation running at 16pc a year for a decade has closed much of the cost gap. China is no longer the "default location" for cheap plants supplying the US.

A "tipping point" is near in computers, electrical equipment, machinery, autos and motor parts, plastics and rubber, fabricated metals, and even furniture.

"A surprising amount of work that rushed to China over the past decade could soon start to come back," said BCG's Harold Sirkin.

The gap in "productivity-adjusted wages" will narrow from 22pc of US levels in 2005 to 43pc (61pc for the US South) by 2015. Add in shipping costs, reliability woes, technology piracy, and the advantage shifts back to the US.

The list of "repatriates" is growing. Farouk Systems is bringing back assembly of hair dryers to Texas after counterfeiting problems; ET Water Systems has switched its irrigation products to California; Master Lock is returning to Milwaukee, and NCR is bringing back its ATM output to Georgia. NatLabs is coming home to Florida.

Boston Consulting expects up to 800,000 manufacturing jobs to return to the US by mid-decade, with a multiplier effect creating 3.2m in total. This would take some sting out of the Long Slump.

As Philadelphia Fed chief Sandra Pianalto said last week, US manufacturing is "very competitive" at the current dollar exchange rate. Whether intended or not, the Fed's zero rates and $2.3 trillion printing blitz have brought matters to an abrupt head for China.

Fed actions confronted Beijing with a Morton's Fork of ugly choices: revalue the yuan, or hang onto the mercantilist dollar peg and import a US monetary policy that is far too loose for a red-hot economy at the top of the cycle. Either choice erodes China's wage advantage. The Communist Party chose inflation.

Foreign exchange effects are subtle. They take a long to time play out as old plant slowly runs down, and fresh investment goes elsewhere. Yet you can see the damage to Europe from an over-strong euro in foreign direct investment (FDI) data.

Flows into the EU collapsed by 63p from 2007 to 2010 (UNCTAD data), and fell by 77pc in Italy. Flows into the US rose by 5pc.

Volkswagen is investing $4bn in America, led by its Chattanooga Passat plant. Korea's Samsung has begun a $20bn US investment blitz. Meanwhile, Intel, GM, and Caterpillar and other US firms are opting to stay at home rather than invest abroad.

Europe has only itself to blame for the current “hollowing out” of its industrial base. It craved its own reserve currency, without understanding how costly this “exorbitant burden” might prove to be.

China and the rising reserve powers have rotated a large chunk of their $10 trillion stash into EMU bonds to reduce their dollar weighting. The result is a euro too strong for half of EMU.

The European Central Bank has since made matters worse (for Italy, Spain, Portugal, and France) by keeping rates above those of the US, UK, and Japan. That has been a deliberate policy choice. It let real M1 deposits in Italy contract at a 7pc annual rate over the summer. May it live with the consequences.

The trade-weighted dollar has been sliding for a decade, falling 37pc since 2001. This roughly replicates the post-Plaza slide in the late 1980s, which was followed - with a lag - by 3pc of GDP shrinkage in the current account deficit. The US had a surplus by 1991.

Charles Dumas and Diana Choyleva from Lombard Street Research argue that this may happen again in their new book "The American Phoenix".

The switch in advantage to the US is relative. It does not imply a healthy US recovery. The global depression will grind on as much of the Western world tightens fiscal policy and slowly purges debt, and as China deflates its credit bubble.

Yet America retains a pack of trump cards, and not just in sixteen of the world’s top twenty universities.

It is almost the only economic power with a fertility rate above 2.0 - and therefore the ability to outgrow debt - in sharp contrast to the demographic decay awaiting Japan, China, Korea, Germany, Italy, and Russia.

Europe's EMU soap opera has shown why it matters that America is a genuine nation, forged by shared language and the ancestral chords of memory over two centuries, with institutions that ultimately work and a real central bank able to back-stop the system.

The 21st Century may be American after all, just like the last.

telegraph.co.uk



To: John Vosilla who wrote (174461)10/24/2011 3:52:00 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541477
 
I don't really fancy starting a trade war with China, but I like the other two points- and have made them repeatedly for many many years.